Bible Fact or Fable?

Originally posted by seesaw
There are parts of the bible that just don't work in todays world. Too many things have changed in 2000 years. One is the gay stuff, and witch, and a few other stuff that I can't think of right now heh. But my point is that things that were ok or not ok back then is not ok or ok now.

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Hey, Seesaw, i'd like to know, are you a Christian, or no? Just wondering. Anyway, i have to disagree with you. Hebrews 13:7-9 says:

7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

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If the character of Christ never changes, how can His laws (and therefore, our morals) change? I don't believe that what was wrong long ago can be right now, or the other way. If it's wrong, it's wrong. This applies to being gay, witchcraft, etc.

Don't get me wrong, though. The Bible says that we should despise sin, not the sinner. Just like we should love our relatives who are drunks, and not hate them, but hate their habit. That's how we should act toward gays and witches. Try to get them help, explain it to them.

God bless you all,
Alex

When, on the one hand, we have a story in the Bible detailing God changing his mind or altering his methods, and on the other hand we have scripture saying that God is unchanging, which are we to believe?

hey, prax, you been over to the pub lately? I think I'm ready for another bender.

Michelle e

I agree, no one has yet to explain how god can be perfect and repent for his mistakes/change his mind, without resorting to the "because its god" explination. and I would really like to know to understand the bible better.

Originally posted by Praxiteles
When, on the one hand, we have a story in the Bible detailing God changing his mind or altering his methods, and on the other hand we have scripture saying that God is unchanging, which are we to believe?

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Hi Michelle,

No, actually, I haven't poked my head in for a while. Am I to take it that you haven't learned your lesson from your last e-hangover?

What does change have to do with regret? God gave us free-will thereby giving us the ability to mess things up in the middle of time. What I mean is God knows how the story begins and ends, and even knows what goes on in the middle, but HE allows us to try things our own way. He gets disappointed when we try it without Him, because, as you can see much in today's world, we ALWAYS fail.

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IC. but that still leaves the question of why was he disapointed? If he can see all, he should have know what was going to happen. When I watch a movie that ive seen enough to know everything that happens in it (kinda like god knowing begining middle and end) I dont get disapointed when the bad guy beats the good guy at the begining, because I know the story. I am actually happy because I know that if the bad guy hadnt horribly beat the good guy in the begining, it wouldnt have given the good guy the strength to triumph over all the bad guys in the movie.
So the fact that he is disapointed is confusing if he knows all.

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What does change have to do with regret? God gave us free-will thereby giving us the ability to mess things up in the middle of time. What I mean is God knows how the story begins and ends, and even knows what goes on in the middle, but HE allows us to try things our own way. He gets disappointed when we try it without Him, because, as you can see much in today's world, we ALWAYS fail.

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Originally posted by FOMWatts&lt;&gt;&lt;
What does change have to do with regret? God gave us free-will thereby giving us the ability to mess things up in the middle of time. What I mean is God knows how the story begins and ends, and even knows what goes on in the middle, but HE allows us to try things our own way. He gets disappointed when we try it without Him, because, as you can see much in today's world, we ALWAYS fail.

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He knows all, right?

So, even though he knew mankind was going to turn out terribly sinful, he went ahead and made them anyway and got all disappointed?

Ouch.&nbsp; I bet you can't say the above with a straight face...

Not only did he foresee it all, but this "unchanging" fellow one day decided to his the erase key and have a flood, leaving only Noah and his family.&nbsp; I'd have thought the smart thing to do would be to create Noah.

Anyway, he had this huge flood, wiped just about every living thing out, all in the cause of wiping wickedness from the world.&nbsp; Gee, it worked well, didn't it?&nbsp;

Originally posted by alexgb00
Hey, Seesaw, i'd like to know, are you a Christian, or no? Just wondering. Anyway, i have to disagree with you. Hebrews 13:7-9 says:



If the character of Christ never changes, how can His laws (and therefore, our morals) change? I don't believe that what was wrong long ago can be right now, or the other way. If it's wrong, it's wrong. This applies to being gay, witchcraft, etc.

Don't get me wrong, though. The Bible says that we should despise sin, not the sinner. Just like we should love our relatives who are drunks, and not hate them, but hate their habit. That's how we should act toward gays and witches. Try to get them help, explain it to them.

God bless you all,
Alex

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Hi, No I'm an atheist

Well, IMO, the way God is portraied in the bible, if literal and factual, certianly points it Him as being pretty imperfect. But since the bible was written and rewriten by man one can say that God is perfect but man's ideas about Him are not.

The other problem is one of language, basicly there is no set definition on what is perfect and what is not. It is a fluid and changing ideal that is formed by each person that looks at what ever is being called perfect. My opinion on what the perfect shade of blue is probably not yours and the same is true about anything else we could try and define a perfect state for.

The definition ive been been using, and im sure most people use is:
"Being without defect or blemish"

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
Well, IMO, the way God is portraied in the bible, if literal and factual, certianly points it Him as being pretty imperfect. But since the bible was written and rewriten by man one can say that God is perfect but man's ideas about Him are not.

The other problem is one of language, basicly there is no set definition on what is perfect and what is not. It is a fluid and changing ideal that is formed by each person that looks at what ever is being called perfect. My opinion on what the perfect shade of blue is probably not yours and the same is true about anything else we could try and define a perfect state for.

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Originally posted by Arikay
The definition ive been been using, and im sure most people use is:
"Being without defect or blemish"

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Is anger or jealousy a blemish? What would perfect anger be like? What about perfect jealousy? Perfect love? Perfect fingerprints?

Well, its all in how you use the word.

For an all knowing god, Perfect would be never making a mistake.

Originally posted by LewisWildermuth
Is anger or jealousy a blemish? What would perfect anger be like? What about perfect jealousy? Perfect love? Perfect fingerprints?

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Originally posted by Arikay
Well, its all in how you use the word.

For an all knowing god, Perfect would be never making a mistake.

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Unless the mistakes are perfect ones.

Well, the numbers do sort of make sense. A non christian would assume that the bible is mans word, and there are christians that believe the bible is mans written word. So coming out slightly above 50/50 would make sense. I think.

[Okay, I know where seesaw stands, lol ]

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Originally posted by Arikay
Well, the numbers do sort of make sense. A non christian would assume that the bible is mans word, and there are christians that believe the bible is mans written word. So coming out slightly above 50/50 would make sense. I think.

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Yep, it makes perfect sense.

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