A Book For Those "Left Behind" When the Elect and Righteous are Raptured

1disciple said:

What 'Book of Enoch' are you referring to exactly? ...

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The only Book of Enoch in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible and which is the same the early Church used. Others are false like the false gospels, and the only book of Enoch listed in the OP video link discussing it.

A poster of CF has put Enoch online.
-and he has several translations of it to choose from and compare:
Summa Scriptura: For many believers an undiscovered treasure trove of blessing!

The DSS copies of 1 Enoch are dated to third century BC, and that is only copies of copies of copies.
Jude the womb brother of Jesus Christ quotes from Enoch and calls him "Enoch the prophet the seventh from Adam".

And of course, Jesus calls Enoch's writings Scripture, in the post I linked to already.
And of course, the DSS Essenes had Enoch in their Bible -Bible means collection of books -and they considered it sacred.

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A reminder of the point of the OP-
in Enoch chapter 1, he opens his book with this: 1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation,a when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.


The day of tribulation is Scriptural doctrine on a future time when all the wicked and godless will be removed, and Enoch writes of that day much in his books, and long before even the flood of Noah.
Enoch reveals that the flood will be the first consummation of sin on earth, and after that, godlessness will again increase, as Paul refers to from Enoch, in
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived;

Paul's reference also includes the doctrine from Enoch of the demons being the seducers of men after the time of their disembodiment in the flood,
" roaming earth as disembodied nephilim; seducing and deceiving men on earth until the second consummation of sin on earth, brought through the great tribulation".

Enoch writes of the great tribulation to come as the second consummation of sin on earth and that it will not be in vain, because the wicked rulers [fallen angels] in the heavens and the demons [tares on earth] will be cast into the lake of fire; and then the earth will have Peace for the Millennial Sabbath.

The Tribulation which "Enoch the prophet the seventh fro Adam" is the first to write about is also called, in chapter 50, "2... the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.";

which Paul also refers to, from Enoch, in
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

yeshuasavedme said:

In Chapter 1, Enoch tells his book is for those left behind in the tribulation.

In Chapter 50, Enoch tells the readers that the righteous are raptured before the tribulation, and those who see and repent and believe in the Name of The Son of Man are saved in His name, but do not get the glory [translation to Glory bodies, but live through the tribulaton as repentant believers]. This book is for them, then, who are left behind

1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation,a when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. 2And he took up his parable and said- Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me,b and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation,c but for a remote one which is for to come.

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Enoch 50: rapture before the tribulation, repentance of those who see and who are left behind and the damnation of those who do not repent;


We Shall Be Changed
50 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,
And the light of days shall abide upon them,
And glory and honour shall turn to the holy,
2On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.
And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:
And He will cause the others to witness this
That they may repent
And forgo the works of their hands.
3They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,
Yet through His name shall they be saved,
And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,
For His compassion is great.
4And He is righteous also in His judgement,
And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself:
At His judgement the unrepentant shall perish before Him.
5And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.​

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Enoch 15...
The Creation of Unclean Spirits
8"And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called.
10As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.
11And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. 12And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them."
16 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement— thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated. 2"And now as to the watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, say to them: 3'You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth.'
4Say to them therefore: 'You have no peace.'"

Enoch writes of the first judgment for earth by the flood:

Enoch 91...5"For I know that violence must increase on the earth,
And a great chastisement be executed on the earth,
And all unrighteousness come to an end:
"Yea, it shall be cut off from its roots,
And its whole structure be destroyed.

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Then unrighteousness will again increase on earth, and be consummated by the Great Tribulation -after the rapture:

As in the Days of Noah...
6"And unrighteousness shall again be consummated on the earth,
And all the deeds of unrighteousness and of violence
And transgression shall prevail in a twofold degree.
7"And when sin and unrighteousness and blasphemy
And violence in all kinds of deeds increase,
And apostasy and transgression and uncleanness increase,

Earth's Last Judgment is to be by the Presence of God

"A great chastisement shall come from heaven upon all these,
And the holy Lord will come forth with wrath and chastisement
To execute judgement on earth.
8"In those days violence shall be cut off from its roots,
And the roots of unrighteousness together with deceit,
And they shall be destroyed from under heaven.
9"And all the idols of the heathen shall be abandoned,
And the temples burned with fire,
And they shall remove them from the whole earth,
"And they shall be cast into the judgement of fire,
And shall perish in wrath and in grievous judgement for ever.

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As in Revelation: sequences are not in chronological order- so the great judgment upon earth will come after the righteous bodies of the dead rise from the grave

"The Righteous Shall Arise from Sleep"
10"And the righteous shall arise from their sleep,
And wisdom shall arise and be given unto them.
11"And after that the roots of unrighteousness shall be cut off, and the sinners shall be destroyed by the sword … shall be cut off from the blasphemers in every place, and those who plan violence and those who commit blasphemy shall perish by the sword.

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Enoch writes of the last days and of the great tribulation. His closing chapters describe those days, and the last battle which is also described in Revelation. He also writes of the idolatry of those last days sinners, who are deceived -by God Himself bringing it upon them- believing that the stars are "gods" to worship and offer sacrifices to:

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The Tribulation Drenched in Blood
100 And in those days in one place the fathers together with their sons shall be smitten
And brothers one with another shall fall in death
Till the streams flow with their blood.
2For a man shall not withhold his hand from slaying his sons and his sons’ sons,
And the sinner shall not withhold his hand from his honoured brother:
From dawn till sunset they shall slay one another.

Blood As High As a Horse's Bridle
3And the horse shall walk up to the breast in the blood of sinners,
And the chariot shall be submerged to its height.
4In those days the angels shall descend into the secret places
And gather together into one place all those who brought down sin,
And the Most High will arise on that day of judgement
To execute great judgement amongst sinners.
Angels Are on Assignment
5And over all the righteous and holy He will appoint guardians from amongst the holy angels
To guard them as the apple of an eye,
Until He makes an end of all wickedness and all sin,
And though the righteous sleep a long sleep, they have nought to fear.
6And then the children of the earth shall see the wise in security,
And shall understand all the words of this book,
And recognize that their riches shall not be able to save them
In the overthrow of their sins.
7Woe to you, Sinners, on the day of strong anguish,
Ye who afflict the righteous and burn them with fire:
Ye shall be requited according to your works.
8Woe to you, ye obstinate of heart,
Who watch in order to devise wickedness:
Therefore shall fear come upon you
And there shall be none to help you.
9Woe to you, ye sinners, on account of the words of your mouth,
And on account of the deeds of your hands which your godlessness has wrought,
In blazing flames burning worse than fire shall ye burn.
10And now, know ye that from the angels He will inquire as to your deeds in heaven, from the sun and from the moon and from the stars in reference to your sins because upon the earth ye execute judgement on the righteous. 11And He will summon to testify against you every cloud and mist and dew and rain; for they shall all be withheld because of you from descending upon you, and they shall be mindful of your sins.

12And now give presents [sacrifices] to the rain that it be not withheld from descending upon you, nor yet the dew, when it has received gold and silver from you that it may descend.

[to no avail are their sacrifices]
13When the hoar-frost and snow with their chilliness, and all the snow-storms with all their plagues fall upon you, in those days ye shall not be able to stand before them.

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bibletruth469 said:

In past threads , I have agreed with some of your views, however I just don't agree with you on this one. The book of Enoch is not scripture !

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It is Scripture, which means "writing", and "sacred writing" in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and in the early Church -before the fourth century, when the west decided not to include it in their "canon list".

It is also "Bible" which means "collection of books/manuscripts" considered "sacred" by Abraham [DSS confirms this] and by Noah [who wrote also; and a fragment of Noah's writing is included in the Ethiopian Enoch and the Dead Sea Scrolls Enoch manuscripts], and by the the Essenes of the Dead Sea Scroll Manuscripts who included it in their "Bible" -collection of manuscripts considered sacred.
Also, note that Enoch is esp. written for those living in the last days -of the Tribulation time- by his own recording; and so, for that reason, I think God kept it tucked away in the Ethiopian Orthodox Bible, and has brought it forth in these last days [From Abyssinia, in the late 1700's, to England, and translated to English] for those who will indeed be "left behind".

Canon is a list made by men that is not the same for all men in all the Church age in all the world, and the list changes with political changes.
For instance: the Geneva English language Bible and the King James 1611 English language Bible both included the Deuterocanon.

The King James Bible was to be read in its entirety in the Church readings and the Archbishop of Canterbury of 1611 pronounced a curse on anyone who did not include it in the Church readings; while over 270 years later the Archbishop of Canterbury pronounced a curse on anyone who did include it in their Church readings -and so, politics of men, and not the Holy Spirit, has determined "canon".

The Holy Spirit has never played politics and has never changed his mind, and the arguments for establishing a "canon" list have always been tempestuous, and sometimes, about coming to blows -read the history of "canon" in the Christian Church and look at this list on the link below for the differences in lists in Christian Denominations:

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/canon2.stmWhose Canon? Which Bible?



Protestants tend to think there is only one Bible--ours.
Actually different religious groups of the Judeo-Christian tradition have different biblical canons.

Different Inside Books

Some canons are smaller than the Protestant Bible; others are larger:

• The smallest Bible is claimed by the Samaritans, who recognize only the first five books of the Bible (the Pentateuch).
• The largest Bible is that of the Ethiopian Orthodox church, which has 81 books

New Testament

Protestants, Roman Catholics, and Greek Orthodox Christians agree on the same 27 books for the composition of the New Testament; however some smaller groups of Christians do not. The Nestorian, or Syrian church, recognizes only 22 books, excluding 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Jude and Revelation.
On the other hand, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church includes the same 27 books in its "narrower" canon but adds 8 books to its "broader" canon: "four sections of church order from a compilation called Sinodos, two sections from the Ethiopic Books of Covenant, Ethiopic Clement, and Ethiopic Didascalia."1
Old Testament

The Jewish Bible and the Protestant Old Testament contain the same books but they are arranged in a different order. Additionally, books that Protestant Christians divide into two parts (Kings, Chronicles, Samuel, and Ezra-Nehemiah) are only one book in the Hebrew Bible.
In terms of the Old Testament, Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, and other Eastern Christians claim more "inside books".
The books of the "second canon" are considered "inside" by Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Ethiopic Christians; the latter group adds even more books beyond the deuterocanonicals. Protestants consider the same books "outside" however they give the Apocrypha high status, considering them valuable for instruction and spiritual edification.
The Ethiopian Orthodox church's narrower Old Testament canon includes the books of the Hebrew Bible, all of the Apocrypha, and "Jubilees, 1 Enoch, and Joseph ben Gurion's (Josippon's) medieval history of the Jews and other nations." 2


Explore lists of canonical books:

• The Samaritan Bible
• The Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)
• The Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testament
• The Protestant Old Testament
• The Roman Catholic Old Testament

Canon Comparisons (Lists)

• Protestant Old Testament and Hebrew Bible
• Protestant Old Testament, Hebrew Bible, Samaritan Bible
• Protestant and Roman Catholic Old Testaments
• Roman Catholic and Ethiopian Orthodox Old Testaments

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mog144 said:

@ Yeshuasavedme,

I admire your work and knowledge base of the Bibles, and if you wouldn't mind, could you help me find more info for my research? This is the idea...

If you were a search engine of a knowledge base system and I did a search on '77 book canons' what results might I get?

I'll give you more details, I'm open for info on all 77 book Canons, and their usage history, etc.

Thanks

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I am sorry, I don't know any more than what I have read that I posted from...
Peace


PS: there was the Word of God in existence before Moses. Job is before Moses, and the Word of God was known in Job's time. Also, Solomon collected many proverbs and wrote them in the book of Proverbs, but many of them were already known and used by Job's friends [though wrongly applied, with no discernment by them -no wisdom to use them].
Abraham was asked to teach the wise men from Pharaoh "wisdom, values and truth" when they returned Sarah, and Abram read to them from the book of Enoch, as his own writing states which is recorded in what is called the "Genesis Apocryphon" of the Dead Sea Scrolls

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/enoch/esp_enoch_7a.htm

...I woke up from my dream in the night, and said to Sarai, my wife, ‘I have (just) dreamed a dream, [and I] am afraid [on account of] this dream!’ And she said to me, ‘Tell me your dream that I might know (it), and so I began to relate this dream to her. [And I revealed] to [her the meaning of that] dream, and I [said, ‘… …] for they will seek to kill me, but you they will spare [… …] this, every favor [which you must do for me] in every [place] where [we are, say] of me that "he is my brother," and I will remain alive by your protection and survive thanks to you.’ [… … ‘they will try] to remove you from me and to kill me!’ And Sarai wept over my words that night. [… … … …] and Pharaoh Z[oan … … …] Sarai to go to Zoan [with me, for she was v]ery [careful] with her person so that no [one] would see her […]. But after those five years, three men who were princes of Egypt [came … …] of Pharaoh Zoa[n] about my affairs and about my wife, and they presented [me numerous gifts and aske]d m[e to teach them] values, wisdom, and truth. So I read in their presence the [book of] the words of [En]och [… … …] in the famine which [… … 1 ½ lines garbled … …] with much eating and [much] drinking [… … ] wine [… … … remainder of column, approximately 6-7 lines, lost … …]

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According to the history book of the Upright -the Upright Record called the Book of Jasher- Abraham lived with Shem and Noah for 39 years, hiding from Nimrod who wanted to kill him, and came out from there at the time of the fall of the tower of Babel.
Error on Shem here, sorry, gotta go check the dates and get right back::::-

Okay, I'm back

Jasher 24 And it came to pass in those days, in the hundred and tenth year of the life of Isaac, that is in the fiftieth year of the life of Jacob, in that year died Shem the son of Noah; Shem was six hundred years old at his death.

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Shem died when Jacob was age 50. Isaac died after Joseph was in Egypt and comforted Jacob on Joseph's supposed death.

Isaac died age 180, after Joseph was in Egypt for 12 years.
So the family lines and connections were not isolated, and from Noah the line of Shem -and Eber- knew the Word of God, through Abraham, who was taught by them..
BTW: for those who deny Isaac lived until after Joseph was in Egypt, do the math:
Jacob born to Isaac when Isaac was age 60.
Isaac lived to age 180.
Jacob entered Egypt age 130.
Isaac had been dead ten years, and Joseph was in Egypt 22 years at that time [1 year in Potiphar's house; 12 years in prison, age 30 when he sat on the throne of Egypt, and 9 years later, Israel came into Egypt].

Cogent said:

The Scriptures were compiled through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. An effort no different than the authoring of those same Scriptures.



People also claim that St. Barnabas wrote an epistle, but it's not legit, nor is the book of Enoch.

Typically those that believe the book of Enoch is "scriptural truth" are those grasping at straws to maintain their own loosely-based-in-reality worldview.

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Barnabas, uncle of Mark, brother of Mark's mother and companion of Saul/Paul did write a letter, and he called Enoch Scripture and referred to it a total of 4 times.
see my above link on "canon" and the different lists Christians have worldwide.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7750400-4/#post63221695