Things of Revelation only A Messianic would know.

HannibalFlavius · May 23, 2013

Revelation 1:12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

^See the Temple design here?

Revelation 2:10 Indeed the devil is about to through some of you in prison, that you may be tested and you will have tribulation ten days.

^What Ten days of the year is this?

Revelation 8 When he opened the 7th seal. there was silence in heaven for about a half an hour.

^What day is this and what is happening?

Revelation 11:15 Then the 7th angel sounded: and there were loud voices in heaven, saying ,'' The Kingdom of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.

^ What day is this taking place on the calendar what is the name of this day?

I'll post more Later.

GuardianShua · May 23, 2013

I'll wait and see what kind of answers you get.

visionary · May 23, 2013

How many days is there from Rosh Hashanna to Yom Kippur? Is it not seven? and would it not make more sense to see the connection between the "ten days" mentioned in scripture and the "ten days of awe" referencing the time frame between these two feasts?

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

sevengreenbeans · May 23, 2013

Revelation 1:12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

A personal opinion:

The menorah in the holy place, the barefoot high priest all in white...Yom Kippurim...white, gold, bronze, fire, waters - all represent purification, judgment, refinement, which then relates to teshuvah. The priest is standing in the holy place, not in the holy of holies.

Revelation 2:10 Indeed the devil is about to through some of you in prison, that you may be tested and you will have tribulation ten days.

Perhaps a description of the evil inclination of man tested during the Yamim Noraim (Ten Days of Awe/Repentance), tribulation in putting the sinful nature away, embracing teshuvah, seeking forgiveness, returning to the Way of Righteousness. Sometimes a difficult process.

HannibalFlavius · May 23, 2013

sevengreenbeans said:
A personal opinion:

The menorah in the holy place, the barefoot high priest all in white...Yom Kippurim...white, gold, bronze, fire, waters - all represent purification, judgment, refinement, which then relates to teshuvah. The priest is standing in the holy place, not in the holy of holies.

Perhaps a description of the evil inclination of man tested during the Yamim Noraim (Ten Days of Awe/Repentance), tribulation in putting the sinful nature away, embracing teshuvah, seeking forgiveness, returning to the Way of Righteousness. Sometimes a difficult process.

When I think of the Temple, I see a whole man standing there with his feet in the bronze in the outer court.

The Ten days{I believe} starts from the 1st of Tishri to the tenth.

That's the same thing you put right?

I don't know where to find the Jewish thinking on this, but I read some place about people who are in trouble wait from the first to the tenth in the days of repentance and then a decision is made on the 10th.

I wish I could find it, I believe it comes from the Talmud.

daq · May 24, 2013

Perhaps the only weeks that count are the weeks we are told to count? If so then the ten great days of testing for Daniel and his three friends contain just seventy weeks according to the manner of the count. Perhaps then you may need to rearrange one of your questions:

^ "What ten years of The Day is this?"

yonah_mishael · May 24, 2013

daq said:
^ "What ten years of The Day is this?"

Does "ten years of The Day" actually make sense to your mind?

daq · May 24, 2013

yonah_mishael said:
Does "ten years of The Day" actually make sense to your mind?

Yes if "The Day" happens to be eternal.
Is there "an evening and a morning" mentioned concerning the Seventh Day?

Genesis 2:1-4 KJV
1. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

And were the earth and the heavens made in a day or in six days?
What day is that from Genesis 2:4? And what "Day" is this from Isaiah?

Isaiah 30:26 KJV
26. Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Then there is of course the prayer of Moshe in Psalm 90:4, and likewise "the Preacher" to whom the Lord appeared twice, which apparently caused the latter to experience "a thousand years twice told" yet in the end he confessed that there is nothing new under the sun.

yonah_mishael · May 24, 2013

Eternal standards make everything else unmeasurable.

daq · May 24, 2013

yonah_mishael said:
Eternal standards make everything else unmeasurable.

Therefore what are a measly "ten days of testing" (ten years revolutions of the washing of the weeks) if the Father multiply your days as the days of heaven upon the earth as stated in Devarim 11:21? Rather to him that overcomes time shall be no more, (Revelation 10:6-7) because to Live in Messiah Torah, walking in the understanding of him unto the Father, means that the physical death of the body-vessel is not recognized, (for the Master states that the flesh profits nothing). Such a one enters into the true Shabbat Rest.

visionary · May 24, 2013

daq said:
Therefore what are a measly "ten days of testing" (ten years revolutions of the washing of the weeks) if the Father multiply your days as the days of heaven upon the earth as stated in Devarim 11:21? Rather to him that overcomes time shall be no more, (Revelation 10:6-7) because to Live in Messiah Torah, walking in the understanding of him unto the Father, means that the physical death of the body-vessel is not recognized, (for the Master states that the flesh profits nothing). Such a one enters into the true Shabbat Rest.

Need at least two witnesses... do you have other scriptural evidences to indicate that more than one inspired author even alluded to this?

yonah_mishael · May 24, 2013

daq said:
Therefore what are a measly "ten days of testing" (ten years revolutions of the washing of the weeks) if the Father multiply your days as the days of heaven upon the earth as stated in Devarim 11:21? Rather to him that overcomes time shall be no more, (Revelation 10:6-7) because to Live in Messiah Torah, walking in the understanding of him unto the Father, means that the physical death of the body-vessel is not recognized, (for the Master states that the flesh profits nothing). Such a one enters into the true Shabbat Rest.

Is this even English? What in the world are you talking about??!

daq · May 24, 2013

visionary said:
Need at least two witnesses... do you have other scriptural evidences to indicate that more than one inspired author even alluded to this?

Revelation 2:10-11 KJV
10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Daniel 1:11-14 KJV
11. Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah,
12. Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.
13. Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants.
14. So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days.

Daniel 12:13 KJV
13. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

yonah_mishael · May 24, 2013

daq said:
Daniel 12:13 KJV
13. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

What is קץ הימין in Daniel 12:13? Do you really think "the end of the days" is a good rendering?

visionary · May 24, 2013

daq said:
Revelation 2:10-11 KJV
10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Daniel 1:11-14 KJV
11. Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah,
12. Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.
13. Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants.
14. So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days.

Daniel 12:13 KJV
13. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Yep.. all ten days... no indication here of seeing more than that..

GuardianShua · May 24, 2013

HannibalFlavius said:
Revelation 1:12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

^See the Temple design here?

Revelation 2:10 Indeed the devil is about to through some of you in prison, that you may be tested and you will have tribulation ten days.

^What Ten days of the year is this?

Revelation 8 When he opened the 7th seal. there was silence in heaven for about a half an hour.

^What day is this and what is happening?

Revelation 11:15 Then the 7th angel sounded: and there were loud voices in heaven, saying ,'' The Kingdom of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.

^ What day is this taking place on the calendar what is the name of this day?

I'll post more Later.

Revelation 2
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
In regards to the ten days. This is saying that there will be religious persecution from the Jews for ten years. A bit odd, because persecution from the Jews lasted 100 years.

daq · May 24, 2013

yonah_mishael said:
What is קץ הימין in Daniel 12:13? Do you really think "the end of the days" is a good rendering?

You know better than I that "qets" is an extremity of the furthest extent, (even used for the Cherubim stationed to the "corners" of the Mercy Seat). IMO Daniel 12:13 implies the furthest extent of his own days and likewise all the faithful of "the children of the people of Daniel" who would come after him. Thus when he reached "his end" then time was no more, that is, for the prophet Daniel, (and each in his or her own appointed times). He would have likewise stood in his "lot" (either the white stone or the black) at the extremity of the days, and he entered into that Rest, (before physical death which is not generally recognized). If therefore one enters into Life before he sheds the body he will never die.

visionary said:
Yep.. all ten days... no indication here of seeing more than that..

And in those "Ten Days" are 70 Weeks, (7 weeks times 10 years).

visionary · May 24, 2013

daq said:
And in those "Ten Days" are 70 Weeks, (7 weeks times 10 years).

Seven days has expanded, according to you, from the literal to ?? years... and why? when the context is literal.

daq · May 24, 2013

visionary said:
Seven days has expanded, according to you, from the literal to ?? years... and why? when the context is literal.

Aside from the other feasts there are only seven weeks "numbered" in a year:

Deuteronomy 16:9-10 KJV
9. Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.
10. And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the Lord thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the Lord thy God, according as the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:

Leviticus 23:9-17 KJV
9. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11. And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12. And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord.
13. And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
14. And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
15. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
17. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.

And the two firstfruits wave loaves are baked with leaven . . .
Coming back around then to the next year; no leaven, one revolution.
Question is when do the Ten Days commence? We do not decide . . .

visionary · May 24, 2013

daq said:
Aside from the other feasts there are only seven weeks "numbered" in a year:

Deuteronomy 16:9-10 KJV
9. Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.
10. And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the Lord thy God with a tribute of a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the Lord thy God, according as the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:

Leviticus 23:9-17 KJV
9. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
10. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11. And he shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
12. And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the Lord.
13. And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
14. And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
15. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16. Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord.
17. Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord.

And the two firstfruits wave loaves are baked with leaven . . .
Coming back around then to the next year; no leaven, one revolution.
Question is when do the Ten Days commence? We do not decide . . .

What does ten days have to do with 7 weeks?

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