IRREFUTABLE proof the Rapture will happen

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Your comment about her mother is complete speculation, and therefore irrelevant.

This thread is about the testimony of Angelica Zambrano, and any specific disagreements that can be proven to invalidate her testimony. I propose that there are no parts of her testimony with Jesus Christ that can be refuted, or proven to be false. If there is any disagreement, please list individual parts to her testimony disagreed so they can be rationally discussed.

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She saw her father eating chocolate and candy in heaven.

Um, I'm really not even going to waste time on this anymore. It's like trying to prove that fairies don't exist to people who believe in fairies.
 
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Please feel free to move on as you believe it is a waste of time. I find it completely credible. I show it here so individual points of disagreement with her testimony can be addressed and discussed.

So far, there has been none aside from misdirections and irrelevant distractions.


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Manasseh said: Every reason to believe it why? because you have a predisposed doctrine that you want to continually search validation for.............?

No, because of the reason I stated above.

sorry to say it's not real.........because there is no "hell" as you see it............all scriptural referene to hell pertaining to man means the grave where there is nothing happening, there is no knowledge no learning, working, etc..................even God's servants can't even give him praise while in "hell" the grave

This post is not about how "I" see anything. It is about this woman being shown by Jesus Christ himself as she was DEAD for 23 hours.

the only way back from this state of non existence is by the power of resurrection and that only comes directly from Christ who got the victory over death and the grave

That is exactly Who brought her back to life; Jesus Christ himself.

PSALMS 89:48 What man [is he that] liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah.

This is not contradictory to HER testimony in any way.

Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

This is not contradictory to HER testimony in any way.

Isa 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

This is not contradictory to HER testimony in any way.

this "irrefutable proof" that you present is definitely not scriptural


Completely subjective speculation based on non-applicable verses that have no relevance to HER testimony.


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Marantha

taking my statements and the verses I presented out of context and attempting to work them to your atvantage only shows your desperation and how far you will go in attempts to make your premise seem viable..........personally I don't care much what you do with my statements but when you do this with scripture, God's holy word just remember he is not mocked and you can't change the meaning of his teachings just to suit your false premise

you also contradict yourself, in one instance you said her "testimony" doesn't contradict a certain verse then at the end you said the verses were "non-applicable" and had no relavance to her testimony

I guess when you're presenting lies such as these it takes time to fine tune them and work out the kinks that exist within them

once again, her "testimony" and your "irrefuteable proof" still is false according to the authority of God's word
 
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Please feel free to move on as you believe it is a waste of time. I find it completely credible. I show it here so individual points of disagreement with her testimony can be addressed. So far, there has been none.


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Marantha

I know you find it to be completely credible. That's what is really, really scary. A brainwashed teenage girl having dreams and hallucinations that have been implanted and forced upon her by her psychotic, mentally unstable mother I can understand.

You? I don't understand.
 
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I find it completely credible. I show it here so individual points of disagreement with her testimony can be addressed and discussed.

So far, there has been none aside from misdirections and irrelevant distractions.

Again, you cannot prove her testimony to be true. That is something that must be taken on faith. I choose not to put my faith in her.
 
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Theology isn't built upon private experiences--dreams, visions, or revelations.

I've no more reason to believe this than I do the testimony of those who claim the Blessed Virgin spoke to them at Lourdes.

One can have a very profound experience, it may be real or it may not be real, but in both cases it isn't the foundation of doing theology. Theology is not demonstrated from such private experiences, it is built upon the faith and testimony of the Apostles as found in the written word of Holy Scripture.

Indeed, if someone comes with a vision, a dream, a prophetic word, a revelation and it is set contrary to Holy Scripture, it simply has no place in the Church.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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This Christian Woman, Angelica Zambrano of Ecuador, was taken to Hell and Heaven for 23 hours by Jesus Christ himself, JUST SO she could come back and tell others it is REAL.

Her entire testimony is astonishing.
Starting at 1 hour 19 minutes, she is shown the Rapture, by Christ, and WHO will go.


The debate is now OVER. The Rapture WILL HAPPEN Brothers and Sisters, it is now a Christ verified FACT.

Prepare. God Bless you all.

I'm in a place in the world witnessing where wi-fi access is difficult, so responses may take a bit.



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Marantha

nobody has gone to hell, that is not possible, Jesus said so, that there is a chasm, and he also said that there would be no point, as no one would believe it, and I don't believe it neither.
 
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nobody has gone to hell, that is not possible, Jesus said so, that there is a chasm, and he also said that there would be no point, as no one would believe it, and I don't believe it neither.

Good point.


Luke 16
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
 
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This Christian Woman, Angelica Zambrano of Ecuador, was taken to Hell and Heaven for 23 hours by Jesus Christ himself, JUST SO she could come back and tell others it is REAL.Her entire testimony is astonishing. Starting at 1 hour 19 minutes, she is shown the Rapture, by Christ, and WHO will go.
The debate is now OVER. The Rapture WILL HAPPEN Brothers and Sisters, it is now a Christ verified FACT.
That's all the evidence I need, to have someone tell me that our Lord gave them His personal assurance of the thing. No more need to pore through the Scriptures, we got it straight form the source.

Yessiree Bob, I am convinced.

:doh:
 
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If her experience was real
Pretty big doggone "if" there, isn't it?

, which there is every reason to believe it was
I don't see any reason to believe it was. "Somebody said" doesn't get it.

then your response is Blasphemy as Christ Himself showed her the Rapture.
Balderdash.

BTW, the Lord took me aside and told me that He wants everyone to send me all their money. I assume that you're going to fork over, right? After all, you're not a blasphemer, are you?

She saw Pope John Paul II in hell, along with Salina.
Sure she did. I saw him in Wal-Mart last week, buying flashlight batteries.

She put HER and HER ENTIRE families lives at risk for coming back with the message that this Pope is in hell.
Her greatest risk is probably having people believe that she's a raving loony.

And you doubt. It's your choice; so be it.
I don't simply doubt it, I reject it as thorough going hogwash.
 
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Marantha always comes preaching his "IRREFUTABLE proof" the likes of which is quickly debunked. Remember there was "IRREFUTABLE proof" that the Abomination of Desolation would occur on March 22.
Yep, he chucks out "irrefutable" revelations right and left, none of which are worth the electrons it takes to display them on our screens.
 
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It's funny that you mention this. When Charles Spurgeon leveled his critique against Darby and Dispensationalism in the 1860s, the Plymouth Brethren immediately began accusing him of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. No new thing amongst the Dispensationalist cultus. Completely expected and typical of those suffering with symptoms of the rapturist disorder.

I grew up in the Plymouth Brethren, and never heard even one of them accuse Spurgeon of blasphemy, even once.
 
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Theology isn't built upon private experiences--dreams, visions, or revelations.

I've no more reason to believe this than I do the testimony of those who claim the Blessed Virgin spoke to them at Lourdes.

One can have a very profound experience, it may be real or it may not be real, but in both cases it isn't the foundation of doing theology. Theology is not demonstrated from such private experiences, it is built upon the faith and testimony of the Apostles as found in the written word of Holy Scripture.

Indeed, if someone comes with a vision, a dream, a prophetic word, a revelation and it is set contrary to Holy Scripture, it simply has no place in the Church.

-CryptoLutheran

Amen!
 
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I noticed that someone very falsely claimed that this is "typical" of rapturists. It most certainly is not. The great majority of those that believe in the pre-tribulation rapture firmly believe that the word of God is finished, and nothing can ever be added to it.

essentially every pre-tribber that I know (and I know a lot of them) believes that the following applies to the entire Bible:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19)

We reject all pretensions of modern revelations from God, for "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

This says, not only that all scripture is inspired of God and is profitable, but that the scriptures are all we need. All modern "revelations" are not from God.
 
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It seems to me that whenever there is a thread citing "irrefutable proof", it's backed up by a clip from Youtube - like the youtube clips we had last year which proved that some disaster was going to happen at the Olympics.

Surely Youtube hasn't taken priority over Scripture?
 
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nobody has gone to hell, that is not possible, Jesus said so, that there is a chasm, and he also said that there would be no point, as no one would believe it, and I don't believe it neither.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
 
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Yep, he chucks out "irrefutable" revelations right and left, none of which are worth the electrons it takes to display them on our screens.

Sadly by him spewing garbage claiming it is truth, there are poor souls that could fall victim to the bologna.

THAT, is not a good thing.
 
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