Republican Obstructionism Is The Real Scandal That’s Plaguing Washington

GarfieldJL said:

If they are refusing to turn over e-mails to congress, then yeah there is valid grounds for impeachment, because there is no other options available.

Obstruction of Justice is grounds for impeachment.

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Errmmm some things may be classified you know...

Besides there already is precedent for an administration refusing to turn over emails. You-know-who did it.

Merope said:

Errmmm some things may be classified you know...

Besides there already is precedent for an administration refusing to turn over emails. You-know-who did it.

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Communications between the IRS and the White House wouldn't qualify as being eligible of being classified, additionally Congress actually has clearance to review classified material...

GarfieldJL said:

Communications between the IRS and the White House wouldn't qualify as being eligible of being classified, additionally Congress actually has clearance to review classified material...

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Oh I thought we were talking about Benghazi, it's so hard to keep these talking points straight.

variant said:

Do you honestly think the country would have voted in Mitt Romney if he were black?

If the answer is no then maybe you need to re-examine your assumptions.

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Is that what I said? No, that's not what I said - ergo the question is without warrant, as is the admonition to re-examine my assumptions.

EdwinWillers said:

Is that what I said? No, that's not what I said - ergo the question is without warrant, as is the admonition to re-examine my assumptions.

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It's logical to assume that a black Mitt Romney would win an election if it were just about skin color and I am pretty sure he loses just the same.

If you don't want to answer the question you can just say so.

theblockiswarm said:

By: RmuseMay. 19th, 2013


There are a variety of adjectives to describe Republicans in Congress since Americans elected an African American man to lead the Executive Department, and setting aside sheer racial animus, some apt descriptors are total incompetence, inability to perform, and blatant ineptitude that easily inform the state of the Republican Party. .

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It's all about racism. Nothing that happens in Washington is ever anything but racism when a black man sits in the White(mans) House.

We never had republicans voting against anything the democrats offered, never stopped pet projects from the leftist elite.
Never stonewalled, never played the system to stop a vote.

How about you look at Bush's presidency? dems did it and I don't think Bush was clasified a minority.
Republicans did it to Clinton, he claimed to be the first black president but he was a pasty white male.
Dems did it to Senior Bush, Carter, Ford, Reagan. You name a president they faced opposition from the other side and their party weren't cry babies saying how mean they were, and were just trying to ruin the presidents legacy.

We elect our representitives for each office. Their job is to vote how they feel their voters would want them to vote, not to follow along with the party in the majority or to vote against a minority just to put him in his place.

Unless you're saying a minority can't handle the pressure of a real presidency, get over it. No one cares...no one in power cares that Obama is 50% African Ameircan(or what ever the percentages are)
This is the same fight we've had since the two party system started. I think Obama's a big boy and can play with the big dogs without needing to use the race card in every move he makes.

From what I see from people like you is that minorities must be weak, since they can't handle real world problems without trying to get Afrimative action bonuses in dealing with the other party.

Basically what your OP says: "Quit being mean to him he's a poor simple black man trying to get along."

This is nothng but politics, no different then any administration siince I have been alive, except that the race card is played every move he makes.

variant said:

It's logical to assume that a black Mitt Romney would win an election if it were just about skin color and I am pretty sure he loses just the same.

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Please give me one reason why a "black Mitt Romney" is remotely logical.

variant said:

If you don't want to answer the question you can just say so.

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Posit a logical question that doesn't put words into my mouth or purposely misrepresent what I said and maybe I will.

Here's what I said:

Conservatives repeat what Obama supporters assert - that they voted for him because he was black; conservatives call that racism, and we're called racist for for saying Obama was elected because he was black.

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...to which you queried

Do you honestly think the country would have voted in Mitt Romney if he were black?

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...to which I replied

Is that what I said? No, that's not what I said - ergo the question is without warrant, as is the admonition to re-examine my assumptions.

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...and you accuse me of not wanting to answer your question.

I think if you'll read what I said again you'll understand what I was saying: conservatives repeat what DEMOCRATS SAID about voting for [Obama] because he was black (and plenty said just that), but if we dare repeat it back then we're the ones called "racist" because now they're somehow our words.

I truly couldn't care less what color he is - I have NEVER cared what color he is - EXCEPT when Democrats make his color such an issue, projecting their racism on us whenever we dare make the slightest argument against him. At such times I wish his skin color were purple & pink polka dot so Democrats wouldn't have a constituency to cater their racism towards (though it wouldn't take them long to adopt purple & pink polka dotters as "their own" once they found them).

EdwinWillers said:

Please give me one reason why a "black Mitt Romney" is remotely logical.

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Why isn't he?

I mean a few of the characteristics don't make a lot of sense like A black Mormon who was the son of a Michigan governor, but overall I think you can get a pretty analogous candidate to Mitt who is black.

I don't think Democrats were voting for the black mitt Romney whether they said they voted for Obama because he was black or not.

It's not just about skin color here.

variant said:

Why isn't he?

I mean a few of the characteristics don't make a lot of sense like A black Mormon who was the son of a Michigan governor, but overall I think you can get a pretty analogous candidate to Mitt who is black.

I don't think Democrats were voting for the black mitt Romney whether they said they voted for Obama because he was black or not.

It's not just about skin color here.

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It's just that Mitt is, you know... well, white.

EdwinWillers said:

It's just that Mitt is, you know... well, white.

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Is asking you to use your imagination a problem?

variant said:

Is asking you to use your imagination a problem?

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He seems to have trouble imagining that people didn't vote for Obama because he was black.

variant said:

Is asking you to use your imagination a problem?

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Not at all - and I'm actually pretty good at it when I want to be. Right now I'm imagining you actually addressing what I wrote.

EdwinWillers said:

Not at all - and I'm actually pretty good at it when I want to be. Right now I'm imagining you actually addressing what I wrote.

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If you are going to claim that Barrack Obama won the race because he was black then you are essentially claiming in my opinion that Mitt would have won if he were.

Wolseley said:

Biggest load of progressive liberal soil enhancer I've read in a long time.

Take it home and spread it on your strawberry beds. You'll get a bumper crop.

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NightHawkeye said:

ROTFL ....

I find this refreshingly reminiscent of Bush's fault, Bush's fault, Bush's fault ... same old song.

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Along with once again, if you do anything to get in the way of the African American in office, you're a racist.

variant said:

If you are going to claim that Barrack Obama won the race because he was black then you are essentially claiming in my opinion that Mitt would have won if he were.

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< heavy sigh > you really need to read what I wrote - it's not mandatory, certainly; but it's essential if you want to know what I said and if you want to have a discussion w/r to what I said rather than what you think I said.

We'll try this one more time:
Here's what I said:

Conservatives repeat what Obama supporters assert - that they voted for him because he was black; conservatives call that racism, and we're called racist for for saying Obama was elected because he was black.

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...which is what you responded to with this query:

Do you honestly think the country would have voted in Mitt Romney if he were black?

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...to which I replied

Is that what I said? No, that's not what I said - ergo the question is without warrant, as is the admonition to re-examine my assumptions.

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...and you accuse me of not wanting to answer your question.

So again, I think if you'll read what I said you'll understand what I was saying: [if, or when] conservatives repeat what DEMOCRATS SAID about voting for [Obama] because he was black (and plenty said just that - see example link below), but if we dare repeat it back then we're the ones called "racist" because now they're somehow our words.

Dare I post this: Minutemen News'I Just Voted for Obama Because He’s Black' - Minutemen News

Now I'm going to be labeled a racist for posting that.

Awesome article: It’s Okay Because He’s Black | Shenandoah

Again, I truly couldn't care less what color he is - I have NEVER cared what color he is - EXCEPT when Democrats make his color such an issue, projecting their racism on us whenever we dare make the slightest argument against him. At such times I wish his skin color were purple & pink polka dot so Democrats wouldn't have a constituency to cater their racism towards (though it wouldn't take them long to adopt purple & pink polka dotters as "their own" once they found them).

Veritas said:

Along with once again, if you do anything to get in the way of the African American in office, you're a racist.

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Posted above, but worth posting again - a great opinion piece: It&#8217;s Okay Because He&#8217;s Black | Shenandoah

EdwinWillers said:

So again, I think if you'll read what I said you'll understand what I was saying: [if, or when] conservatives repeat what DEMOCRATS SAID about voting for [Obama] because he was black (and plenty said just that - see example link below), but if we dare repeat it back then we're the ones called "racist" because now they're somehow our words.

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You are both quite capable of being wrong, or repeating things that are essentially wrong, which is why I asked you to rethink the position.

You want to say that he was elected because he was black without being tagged for it, because then you'd have to defend such a position.

If you don't want to own your position then theres really no point in having a discussion.

The patronizing tone is appreciated though, I wouldn't want to accuse you or anyone else of repeating other peoples positions because you essentially agree with them.

"Bush was a white man, and that fact alone gives Republicans cover for ignoring the danger inherent in Bush’s cowboy diplomacy that put “brave American heroes’” lives in jeopardy"

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Of course, that's not racist because it's being said of a white person.

variant said:

You are both quite capable of being wrong, or repeating things that are essentially wrong, which is why I asked you to rethink the position. You want to say that he was elected because he was black without being tagged for it, because then you'd have to defend such a position.
If you don't want to own your position then theres really no point in having a discussion.

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As are you [capable of being wrong].

If you're going to persist in misrepresenting what I said because you don't want to discuss what I said or because you feel you can't defend your own stance, fine. That choice is yours.

I've made several attempts now to explain my position - both of which you've chosen to completely ignore. Fair enough. Ignore it is.