Man formed on the 3rd Day

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OK, let's pick this up here.

I wrote: "Men and animals were vegetarians for ten generations, from Adam to Shem. Genesis 1:29-30 talks about our beginning, NOT our future."

You replied:

You continue:

Genesis chapter 1 is the ENTIRE history of God's Creation.........
True, it's the basic history of the first six days of Creation. You continue:

.........including events which are future to our time.

False! Genesis 1 is history. You continue:

You are mixing it with the history of the first Earth.................

The "FIRST" Earth .. :scratch: Is there a second one now .. :scratch::scratch: You continue:

..........which was totally destroyed in the Flood.


The "1st" Earth was DESTROYED by the Flood .. :scratch: I'm sorry, I'm just not following you. Do you mean that human and animal life was destroyed by the flood (it was), or do you mean what you wrote, that the Earth itself was destroyed .. :confused: You continue:

IF what you said were True, we would already have dominion or rule over cancer, heart disease, and every other disease which continues to kill us all....TODAY.

I'll get back to this statement when I understand exactly what you meant by the "1st Earth" thing. You continue:

The PROPHECY of Genesis 1:29-30 will NOT be fulfilled until Jesus returns and ALL creatures on this Planet will become vegetarians.

WRONG! Like I said above, and as the Bible makes clear, Genesis 1:29-30 is history. As far as man and beast being vegetarians, yep, that right, because that's all that God gave us to eat until after the Flood. You continue:

......show us of ANY time in the history of our Planet when ALL creatures were vegetarians.

Just did. But I'll repeat it again for the sake of clarity. From the Creation to the Flood. From Adam to Noah. We were all vegetarians because that's the only food the Lord gave people (Genesis 1:29) and animals (Genesis 1:30) to eat. You continue:

I predict you will run away to avoid embarrassment. Prove me wrong.

Run away .. :confused: Nah, I'm still trying to determine if you're a troll or if you've just been joking with us to see how far you can take this thing .. :D I'll be around till I figure out what you're up to, or until I get a little more bored .. :sleep:
 
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Originally Posted by Aman777
Genesis 1 is the Outline of the 6 Creative Days of the Creation of the 3rd Heaven.
Saint:>>Let me try again. I agree with you that Genesis 1 is an outline of the "6 Creative days", but why do you then say that it is talking about the "Creation of the 3rd Heaven" and not, as the text declares, about the creation of both the Heavens and the Earth .. :confused:


Dear Saint, There are 3 heavens or Universes:

The 1st heaven, made in the middle of water, was made the 2nd Day. Gen. 1:6-8 It was totally destroyed in the Flood. 2 - - Bible Gateway Peter+3:6&version=KJV

The 2nd heaven, made on the 3rd Day, Gen. 2:4, is our Cosmos. It will be burned. ll Peter 3:10

The 3rd heaven, also made on the 3rd Day, Gen. 2:4, is where all Christians will live forever with Jesus. Paul was taken there in ll Corinthians 12:2. It is the New heaven and New earth of Revelation 21:1, and is the object of the Creation. New Jerusalem is there.

Saint:>>You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777
Dear Saint, It means that Genesis 1 is the complete HISTORY of the 6th Creative Days, including events which are future to our time. ie. every creature becoming vegetarian. Genesis 1:30
Saint:>>Men and animals were vegetarians for ten generations, from Adam to Shem. Genesis 1:29-30 talks about our beginning, NOT our future.


False. Genesis chapter 1 is the ENTIRE history of God's Creation, including events which are future to our time. You are mixing it with the history of the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. IF what you said were True, we would already have dominion or rule over cancer, heart disease, and every other disease which continues to kill us all....TODAY.


Saint:>>Genesis 1:29-30 is simply about what is says it's about, that God gave us fruits and vegetibles to eat and that both men and animals were vegetarians!!

I'll stop here as this is enough for now.


The PROPHECY of Genesis 1:29-30 will NOT be fulfilled until Jesus returns and ALL creatures on this Planet will become vegetarians. Isaiah 11 Don't believe me? Then show us of ANY time in the history of our Planet when ALL creatures were vegetarians. I predict you will run away to avoid embarrassment. Prove me wrong. ;)


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Aman
the bible does not say that all men were vegetarians
Adam and Eve might have been, especially at first
but not all men

can u prove that all men were vegetarian?
nope...because they were hunters and gatherers before Adam.
but after the 7th day of rest, God forms Adam
and eventually Adam was told how to be a farmer, and grow veggies
because he failed and was not allowed to live in the garden of God

he had to till the soil, and grow food....
again, an analogy for the end time harvest
 
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Saint:>>OK, let's pick this up here.


Originally Posted by Aman777
I wrote: "Men and animals were vegetarians for ten generations, from Adam to Shem. Genesis 1:29-30 talks about our beginning, NOT our future."
You replied:


Originally Posted by Aman777
False.

Dear Saint, You are using a FUTURE event in a vain effort to portray it as History which has already occurred. Adam (mankind) will be given dominion or rule over the 3rd Heaven, Tomorrow, on the 7th Day or Age in the Creation of the perfect Heaven. BEFORE that happens, Jesus will return to this Planet. Isaiah 11

Saint:>>You continue:

Originally Posted by Aman777

Genesis chapter 1 is the ENTIRE history of God's Creation.........
Saint:>>True, it's the basic history of the first six days of Creation. You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777
.........including events which are future to our time.
Saint:>>False! Genesis 1 is history. You continue:

Genesis chapter 1 is the complete History of the 6 Creative Days, including future events which will NOT take place until the end of the present 6th Day. God wrote our History BEFORE the events happened. In Genesis 2:1-3 He tells us the History of a future Day or Age, the 7th Day, which has no end, for it is Eternity. God has but 7 Days and today is the 6th Creative Day, the Day of Salvation.



Originally Posted by Aman777
You are mixing it with the history of the first Earth.................
Saint:>>The "FIRST" Earth .. :scratch: Is there a second one now .. :scratch::scratch: You continue:

The first Earth was the Earth of Adam. It was completely destroyed in the Flood. It was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The present 2nd Earth, made on the 3rd Day (Gen. 2:4) will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 The third heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2 and Revelation 21:1 is where Jesus is preparing a place for us to live forever. If it were no so, He would have told us.



Originally Posted by Aman777
..........which was totally destroyed in the Flood.

Saint:>>The "1st" Earth was DESTROYED by the Flood .. :scratch: I'm sorry, I'm just not following you. Do you mean that human and animal life was destroyed by the flood (it was), or do you mean what you wrote, that the Earth itself was destroyed .. :confused:

From Genesis to Revelation are many references to the fact that the first Earth was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. You can start with this one:

Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Want to see the fulfillment of God's word to Noah?

Saint:>>You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777
IF what you said were True, we would already have dominion or rule over cancer, heart disease, and every other disease which continues to kill us all....TODAY.
Saint:>>I'll get back to this statement when I understand exactly what you meant by the "1st Earth" thing. You continue:

Originally Posted by Aman777
The PROPHECY of Genesis 1:29-30 will NOT be fulfilled until Jesus returns and ALL creatures on this Planet will become vegetarians.
Saint:>>WRONG! Like I said above, and as the Bible makes clear, Genesis 1:29-30 is history. As far as man and beast being vegetarians, yep, that right, because that's all that God gave us to eat until after the Flood.

Aman:>>Genesis 1:29-30 is PROPECY of what will happen AFTER God finishes His work of creating sinners in Christ. We are STILL at Genesis 1:27 and will not advance to Gen. 1:28 until after Jesus returns to this Earth. Your clear view of Genesis 1:29-30 is somewhat clouded.

Saint:>>You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777
......show us of ANY time in the history of our Planet when ALL creatures were vegetarians.
Saint:>>Just did.

Not so. What you showed us was that you don't understand what Day it is. We continue to live at Genesis 1:27 on the 6th Creative Day, the Day of Salvation. Tomorrow, on the 7th Day, perhaps you will see that you lived in a time on the 6th Day BEFORE mankind had been given dominion or rule over every other living creature AND BEFORE every living creature became a vegetarian.

Saint:>>But I'll repeat it again for the sake of clarity. From the Creation to the Flood. From Adam to Noah. We were all vegetarians because that's the only food the Lord gave people (Genesis 1:29) and animals (Genesis 1:30) to eat.

Your confusion is obvious, but you have failed to tell us when God stopped creating mankind in His Image. You keep saying it's history, but it's a future event at the end of Today. So long as God continues to create sinners in Christ, Genesis 1:28-31 remains future to our time.

Saint:>>You continue:


Originally Posted by Aman777
I predict you will run away to avoid embarrassment. Prove me wrong.

Run away .. :confused: Nah, I'm still trying to determine if you're a troll or if you've just been joking with us to see how far you can take this thing .. :D I'll be around till I figure out what you're up to, or until I get a little more bored .. :sleep:

Good. I love to show others what Scripture actually tells us about the creation instead of what someone else told us it says....and then says, "Just accept my personal opinion by faith." My understanding agrees Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically. It also destroys the Lie that humans evolved from other living beings. Thanks for your interest.

In Love,
Aman
 
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I can't believe I'm coming back for more, but here goes .. :doh: You wrote:

The first Earth was the Earth of Adam. It was completely destroyed in the Flood. It was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The present 2nd Earth, made on the 3rd Day (Gen. 2:4).......

Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

OK, so you are really saying is that the Earth itself was destroyed, the planet, not just the animal life living on it, right .. :confused:

Now, assuming that you are saying that, then how did Noah, his family, and the Ark get from what you're calling "Adam's Earth" to (let's call it) "Earth II" .. :scratch:

Let's stop here so I can get on the same "page" with you about all of this. Please confirm or correct these two questions:
1) That the "Adam Earth" (or "EARTH I") was completely destroyed, lock, stock and barrel. IOW, the entire planet was DESTROYED and then REPLACED by another planet named (as above) "Earth II". Yes? No?

2) If #1 is correct, how did Noah, clan, critters and boat get from the "Adam Earth" to "Earth II" .. :confused:
Thanks!

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David:>>I can't believe I'm coming back for more, but here goes .. :doh: You wrote:


Originally Posted by Aman777
The first Earth was the Earth of Adam. It was completely destroyed in the Flood. It was made the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 The present 2nd Earth, made on the 3rd Day (Gen. 2:4).......

Gen. 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
David:>>OK, so you are really saying is that the Earth itself was destroyed, the planet, not just the animal life living on it, right .. :confused:

Dear David, The entire First Universe, the Biosphere of the Earth of Adam was clean dissolved in the Flood.

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
Isaiah 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

David:>>Now, assuming that you are saying that, then how did Noah, his family, and the Ark get from what you're calling "Adam's Earth" to (let's call it) "Earth II" .. :scratch:


They floated out of the windows "from on high", which were opened and allowed Adam's world to be totally filled with water. Scripture tells us that on the 150th day AFTER the flood began, that the Ark was 15 cubits ABOVE the highest mountains of that doomed world.

God's Truth also shows that the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began. The Ark passed from the first Heaven which was made on the 2nd Day into our second Heaven or Cosmos, which was made the 3rd Day. Christians will do the same at the Rapture We will pass from this world to the 3rd Heaven, and we won't even need an Ark. We will mount up our wings as Eagles.

David:>>Let's stop here so I can get on the same "page" with you about all of this. Please confirm or correct these two questions:
1) That the "Adam Earth" (or "EARTH I") was completely destroyed, lock, stock and barrel. IOW, the entire planet was DESTROYED and then REPLACED by another planet named (as above) "Earth II". Yes? No?

Yes. The first Heaven, which was made long before our world, was also surrounded by water, and was in the language of today, a hermetically sealed Biosphere, which God called a firmament. This allowed it to be transported anywhere in Creation with no problem, without disturbing the world inside the firmament.

David:>>2) If #1 is correct, how did Noah, clan, critters and boat get from the "Adam Earth" to "Earth II" .. :confused:


I don't know but there could be several ways. One would be for God, who is capable of ANYthing, to transport it here from whereever it was with just His commandment. Another could be for it to have been in Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, for thousands of years.

There is no record of it because there were NO humans on this Planet until Noah brought the humanity of Adam to this Planet of the sons of God (prehistoric man). This is important because there was NO writing until AFTER Noah arrived in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization. Our Humanity can be traced to Noah, who spent most of his life in another world.

BTW, The "Scoffers" of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" of this fact because it totally destroys their precious Theory of Evolution. ll Peter 3:3-7 A great debate between believers and those devoted to Science, is just around the corner.

2 Peter 3:3
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

In Love,
Aman

 
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Hi Aman, ok, now we are on the same page. Thanks for clearing that up for me .. :)

So here we go again (still talking about Adam's Earth/Universe #1 vs Noah's Earth/Universe #II). You wrote:

Yes. The first Heaven, which was made long before our world, was also surrounded by water, and was in the language of today, a hermetically sealed Biosphere, which God called a firmament. This allowed it to be transported anywhere in Creation with no problem, without disturbing the world inside the firmament.

Kinda sounds like a Star Trek Haloship .. :) That said, let's move onto Noah and crew moving from Planet Adam to Planet Noah. About this you wrote:

I don't know but there could be several ways. One would be for God, who is capable of ANYthing, to transport it here from whereever it was with just His commandment. Another could be for it to have been in Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, for thousands of years.

There is no record of it because there were NO humans on this Planet until Noah brought the humanity of Adam to this Planet of the sons of God (prehistoric man). This is important because there was NO writing until AFTER Noah arrived in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization. Our Humanity can be traced to Noah, who spent most of his life in another world.

This is problematic for me in several different ways, so let's look at a Biblical one to start. Here's part of what the Bible says concerning the Flood itself:
God blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. The water prevailed upon the earth one hundred and fifty days. Genesis 7:23-24
Throughout Genesis 7-9, there is no mention of the earth and heavens being destroyed. All things with "the breath of life in them" ... "were blotted out FROM the earth", not WITH the earth. For that matter, why would God bother with a "Flood" if He intended to destroy the entire planet .. :scratch:

Then we learn that Noah "was left" and that the "water prevailed upon the earth 150 days".

Noah was "left"? ........... Left where .. :confused:

The water "prevailed"? ........... Prevailed where .. :scratch:

If the Earth was destroyed, how did anything PREVAIL upon it .. :confused::confused:

On to Chapter 8. Here the Bible tells us that God remembered Noah and those in the Ark and began the process of stopping the rain, closing up the fountains of the deep and the floodgates of the sky, and having the water recede.

In the scenario you describe, the only way these events from Genesis 8 can happen is if God moved Noah (closed up in his ark-shaped haloship) to a brand new second Earth that had just experienced the same thing, a worldwide Flood (something you claim destroyed the 1st Earth of Adam).

There also seems to be no break in the story line or indication that what happened to the Earth and to Noah is anything like what you described. Noah got in the Ark on Earth #1, the water rose, the water receded, then Noah left the Ark and he and his began their lives again, still on Earth #1. No new earth, just one that was a little more soggy for a time .. :D

I may have a solution for you, one that I believe honors God, but I'd like to hear your thoughts about all of this first.

Yours and His,
David
 
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David:>>Hi Aman, ok, now we are on the same page. Thanks for clearing that up for me .. :)
So here we go again (still talking about Adam's Earth/Universe #1 vs Noah's Earth/Universe #II). You wrote:

Originally Posted by Aman777
  1. Yes. The first Heaven, which was made long before our world, was also surrounded by water, and was in the language of today, a hermetically sealed Biosphere, which God called a firmament. This allowed it to be transported anywhere in Creation with no problem, without disturbing the world inside the firmament.
David:>>Kinda sounds like a Star Trek Haloship .. :) That said, let's move onto Noah and crew moving from Planet Adam to Planet Noah. About this you wrote:

Originally Posted by Aman777
  1. I don't know but there could be several ways. One would be for God, who is capable of ANYthing, to transport it here from whereever it was with just His commandment. Another could be for it to have been in Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat, for thousands of years.
  2. There is no record of it because there were NO humans on this Planet until Noah brought the humanity of Adam to this Planet of the sons of God (prehistoric man). This is important because there was NO writing until AFTER Noah arrived in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization. Our Humanity can be traced to Noah, who spent most of his life in another world.
David:>>This is problematic for me in several different ways, so let's look at a Biblical one to start. Here's part of what the Bible says concerning the Flood itself:
  1. God blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. The water prevailed upon the earth one hundred and fifty days. Genesis 7:23-24
Throughout Genesis 7-9, there is no mention of the earth and heavens being destroyed. All things with "the breath of life in them" ... "were blotted out FROM the earth", not WITH the earth. For that matter, why would God bother with a "Flood" if He intended to destroy the entire planet .. :scratch:

It is not just the earth, but also the entire Biosphere which He surrounded with the Firmament. When the windows were opened, the firmament filled with water and sank, releasing the Ark into our world.

Then we learn that Noah "was left" and that the "water prevailed upon the earth 150 days".
Noah was "left"? ........... Left where .. :confused:
The water "prevailed"? ........... Prevailed where .. :scratch:
If the Earth was destroyed, how did anything PREVAIL upon it .. :confused::confused:

It didn't. You missed the "Snare" or trap which God set to catch those who put their trust in Science instead of Him.

David:>>On to Chapter 8. Here the Bible tells us that God remembered Noah and those in the Ark and began the process of stopping the rain, closing up the fountains of the deep and the floodgates of the sky, and having the water recede.

David:>>In the scenario you describe, the only way these events from Genesis 8 can happen is if God moved Noah (closed up in his ark-shaped haloship) to a brand new second Earth that had just experienced the same thing, a worldwide Flood (something you claim destroyed the 1st Earth of Adam).

Our Earth was NOT destroyed in the Flood. It's still here. Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. God spared NOT the old world. 2 - - Bible Gateway Peter+2:5&version=KJV

David:>>There also seems to be no break in the story line or indication that what happened to the Earth and to Noah is anything like what you described. Noah got in the Ark on Earth #1, the water rose, the water receded, then Noah left the Ark and he and his began their lives again, still on Earth #1. No new earth, just one that was a little more soggy for a time .. :D

That's the SNARE or trap which God set at the beginning of Genesis 8. The thing which you don't seem to know is the same thing the "scoffers", at the end of time are "willingly" ignorant of. It is your mistake also.

ll Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

The Kosmos, the heavens and earth that
"then was" perished. It's gone. The world of Adam is no more. It was totally destroyed in the Flood.

David:>>I may have a solution for you, one that I believe honors God, but I'd like to hear your thoughts about all of this first.

Sure. That's why I'm here. If I disagree Scripturally, I will post of my views. Nothing personal.

In Love,
Aman
 
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David:>>I may have a solution for you, one that I believe honors God, but I'd like to hear your thoughts about all of this first.

Aman:>>Sure. That's why I'm here. If I disagree Scripturally, I will post of my views. Nothing personal.


Dear David, What happened to you? I'm interested in your opinion.


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Aman
 
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Musky:>>I believe that Genesis 1 refers to the physical creation of the universe while Genesis 2 refers to the creation of Eden. They were not the same.

Dear Musky, Here is the order:

Genesis one is the entire HISTORY of the creation of the 3rd Heaven. It includes ALL of the events of the 6 Creative Days or Ages, including events which are yet Future to our time. Genesis 2:1-3 tells us of a Future Day, the Age of Joy, the 7th Day, which has NO ending.

God has but 7 Days or Ages and we live today at Genesis 1:27 since God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in His Image, which is In Christ, Spiritually. We will not advance to the Prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth. Isaiah 11 shows the Prophecy of Genesis 1:30 is fulfilled in the millennial reign of Christ on this Earth.

At Genesis 2:4-7, we are taken BACK to the events of the 3rd Day and shown that on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made, but BEFORE the plants, herbs, trees, and rain, Jesus made man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils of life and man became alive...a living being.

Genesis 2:4 is a key verse, since it takes us BACK into the story of the Creation and leaves us on the present 6th Day, at Genesis 1:27, which will not end until God's Creation is brought to perfection. That's God's Truth...Scripturally.

In Love,
Aman
 
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