Is Masturbation Without Lust Still a Sin? Why?

Is it possible?

Is masturbation without sinful thoughts still sin?

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No.

Selah.

No but it could become a stumbling block if you find that you
are unable to function normally without resorting to self pleasuring.

If you had done it properly, you would know.

oosbey1 said:

I know there are alot of threads on this already. I just realy need a straight answer. It so confusing and fustrating at times. I want to be a true Child of God, but this issue has really be giving me trouble. I know from experience that it is possible to do it with out lusting/perving after others. But is the act still sinful? Thanks.

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You won't get a straight answer because nobody really knows for sure. Everyone has their own opinion on it.

Masturbation without lust is no sin.

Self pleasuring without self-control is though.

I would venture to say it is possible if you are already married, and only thinking about your spouse as the focus of your pleasure. I do not know of a permissible way to do it as a single person.

oosbey1 said:

I know there are alot of threads on this already. I just realy need a straight answer. It so confusing and fustrating at times. I want to be a true Child of God, but this issue has really be giving me trouble. I know from experience that it is possible to do it with out lusting/perving after others. But is the act still sinful? Thanks.

P.S Please be Respectful .

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Yes.

Sketcher said:

I would venture to say it is possible if you are already married, and only thinking about your spouse as the focus of your pleasure. I do not know of a permissible way to do it as a single person.

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Aren't you then depriving your spouse of something that is rightfully theirs by using thoughts of them and your body in a selfish manner simply for carnal pleasure and not out of love and respect for your spouse? I think that taking a legalistic approach and trying to find a loop hole to make a selfish act become not sinful does not conform to the spirit of the Law. Please pay close attention to verse 9 below.

1John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

grasping the after wind said:

Aren't you then depriving your spouse of something that is rightfully theirs by using thoughts of them and your body in a selfish manner simply for carnal pleasure and not out of love and respect for your spouse?

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My experience of this subject has been at times where (due to illness, stress or just life itself) my spouse has not wanted that "something".
She would rather I did it alone than nag at her for it.

I could argue that I am trying to be a good husband by eliminating that desire instead of putting pressure on her.

Many people will disagree with me on this and I do not claim any spiritual insight but here is my opinion.

Sexual urges can be like any other bodily urges like being hungry or needing to use the bathroom. Sometimes one just has to deal with it. Needing to self release hurts no one and is much better than getting into the wrong kind of relationship or jumping into a marriage you are unprepared for.

Granted there are exceptional people without this problem but from my experience, everyone has to do it sometimes especially when they are single.

Now after saying that - dont use inappropriate contentography, do not think of people in real life, do not stoop to voyeurism, do not discuss it with others and for God's sake - don't hate yourself for having natural urges. Trust me, I know that all the praying in the world wont make sexual desires go away.

Plus you can lower your drive by things like avoiding sexually suggestive videos or movies, learning to look only at a woman above the neck, and avoid places where sex is out in the open like beaches.

oosbey1 said:

I know there are alot of threads on this already. I just realy need a straight answer. It so confusing and fustrating at times. I want to be a true Child of God, but this issue has really be giving me trouble. I know from experience that it is possible to do it with out lusting/perving after others. But is the act still sinful? Thanks.

P.S Please be Respectful .

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It's not sinful, but it can become addictive and could lead on to inappropriate content etc. That said, I don't really see anything wrong with it.

Masturbation for single people is better than pregnancy out of wedlock. It is better than getting HIV, STD's or genital cancer. Masturbation relieves anxiety. Our society has delayed marriage till later in the 20's, and people are expected by the church to be celibate. Okay with the celibacy, but masturbation helps maintain that. The act is not sinful, as there is nothing in the Bible which states that.

the issue of masturbation is an issue of self control and what you are willing to give up in order to follow Christ, bear your cross daily. Masturbation is a very big ask to give up on for a lot of people. Best way to stop is think about why you are using it is it for you or to Glorify God??

What I can share here is that God has convicted me of this and he has given me the grace to overcome it. I am not perfect but God has shown me, as bob mentioned, that this is an issue of self-control, and He has further shown me that the urge to touch is rooted in the lust of the flesh. The reason I know this is because if my eyes are not straying where they should not, and I keep my mind on pure things, I don't have any desire to do it. When I am not practicing self-control, I can see the lust filling up like a tank within my soul, and Satan knows exactly where the fill-line is. When I drink those things in I am giving Satan the fuel to overcome my self-control; it is basically like giving a thief the code to your home security system. I will note that I think that unless you have completely submitted the issue of relationships to the Lord you will have issues here.

I see some people say it's natural, it's a stress reliever etc. Well, the things we naturally want and do aren't always right. The flesh itself is corrupt and the mind is more than willing to agree with it if we do not exercise self-control. I believe masturbation is a stronghold for most men and no allowance for it should be made. Despite what some people are saying here, God will give you the grace to overcome it if you are willing to submit and surrender it to him. I think many men use it as a release valve for their troubles when we are supposed to cast all of our cares and anxieties on Christ. Basically, it's a poor substitute for the peace we can only get through Him.

I would just encourage anyone who makes a practice of masturbation to examine how you are using it to substitute for what only Christ can give to us, which is peace from all of the worries and cares this life brings. If you are using it to feel better, know that what you really need is His joy. If you are using it because you are lonely and desire intimacy, know that you are not alone and what you really need is intimacy with God. In every respect, whatever comfort it is bringing you, what you really need is Christ and not to appease the desires that are driving you to do it. When you start looking at this you will see that these two things are actually diametrically opposed to one another.

oosbey1 said:

I know there are alot of threads on this already. I just realy need a straight answer. It so confusing and fustrating at times. I want to be a true Child of God, but this issue has really be giving me trouble. I know from experience that it is possible to do it with out lusting/perving after others. But is the act still sinful? Thanks.

P.S Please be Respectful .

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You aren't going to get a 'straight answer' because opinions on this topic vary from one person to another. Your best answer is to seek God on this, through reading your Bible, praying, and being submitted to whatever He might tell you. That's what I'd suggest

I'm in no position to declare whether or not it is a sin. However, after talking and hearing from other Christian men, it's become evident to me that it's quite possible to live a happy, healthy lifestyle without doing it. We don't need to do it for any real reason at all, it's all about our desires. My advice would be to simply look to the kind of life Christ lived - He was much too involved in His Father's work to give even a thought to self pleasure or things of that nature.

It's ultimately between each person and God - just because someone deems it to be okay for them, does not necessarily mean the same will be true for you.

It kind of made me think of this verse: "I have the right to do anything," you say--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right to do anything"--but not everything is constructive." (1 Cor 10:23)

Just because something is not out-right condemned does not mean it's inherently good.