Another Bishop Picked Up for Drunk Driving

MikeK said:

Scandal is a sin for a reason. Yes, people are to try to have a strong faith rooted firmly in Christ, but that isn't always going to happen. Failers of men do sometimes result in souls turning from God, unfortunately.

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And to blame and judge, a person who is scandalized, treating them as if they are the ones who did something wrong just because "we are all sinners" is the real sin.

We blame the victims for sexual abuse, we blame a scandalized person for being scandalized... but no, never blame the clergy and religious for what they do because they are human and sinners... what in the H word is wrong with people! Is their own faith that weak that they can not accept the fact that these bad bishops are the problem with the Church here.

But if they (bishops) were "liberal" then all heck would break lose and they'd want him hung and shot dead by the same people who defend him. I'm so over my fellow Catholics.

Well, the term "liberal Bishop," was thrown out here, but I just want to inform
people that Bishop McManus, my Bishop, is a conservative, not a liberal.

In fact, he was associate Bishop in Providence R.I. with the conservative Bishop Tobin. You may recall Bishop Tobin got into the public debate, after
Patrick Kennedy received a letter from the Bishop, telling Kennedy that he should not present himself to receive Holy Communion, because of his support for abortion. Kennedy took the letter public and Bishop Tobin was on the Chris Matthews show, where he performed poorly.

Anyway, Bishop McManus began a petition signing campaign in the dioceses, where he ordered that petitions be made available for all the people attending Masses, could sign, which would go to the state house to reverse the gay marriage legalization, which was ordered by a judge.

Of course the old saying goes when it comes to how a person becomes a liberal or conservative.

A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.

A liberal is a conservative who's been indicted.

My guess is that Bishop McManus will be more liberal than he was in the past as a result of this experience he's going through.

Jim

benedictaoo said:

And to blame and judge, a person who is scandalized, treating them as if they are the ones who did something wrong just because "we are all sinners" is the real sin.

We blame the victims for sexual abuse, we blame a scandalized person for being scandalized... but no, never blame the clergy and religious for what they do because they are human and sinners... what in the H word is wrong with people! Is their own faith that weak that they can not accept the fact that these bad bishops are the problem with the Church here.

But if they (bishops) were "liberal" then all heck would break lose and they'd want him hung and shot dead by the same people who defend him. I'm so over my fellow Catholics.

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Who here is defending the Bishop's decision to drink and drive?

KatherineS said:

those who deny his guilt

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I did not really see anyone say he was not guilty of something in this incident, in the normal sense of the term.

Some said without seeing the evidence, it was hard to make a good judgement.

Others said that a not guilty plea within the context of the legal system was likely appropriate.

eastcoast_bsc said:

I think you miss the point. The Bishop is supposed to set an example for the flock not lawyer up and act like he is a member of the mob.

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Exactly.

I do not excuse any religious or anyone for that matter for committing a crime. Ya do the crime, ya do the time. No excuse for leaving the scdene. Or driving drunk either.

KatherineS said:

A statement in Court is a normal sense except for the fact that one has sworn to God to tell the truth.

I guess some people think that Peter did not deny Christ three times, he was just plea barganing with Pilate.

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Peter didn't deny Jesus to Pilate. He denied Him to strangers.

Tigg said:

Exactly.

I do not excuse any religious or anyone for that matter for committing a crime. Ya do the crime, ya do the time. No excuse for leaving the scdene. Or driving drunk either.

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You're right. We shouldn't waste time with trials and lawyers and civil rights.

Let's just have martial law and let the police impose judgement on the spot.

Tallguy88 said:

You're right. We shouldn't waste time with trials and lawyers and civil rights.

Let's just have martial law and let the police impose judgement on the spot.

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No I never said throw out the law. Let the trial begin. But if what I read is so, the Bishop should admit to his guilt. Following the law does not mean I should lie. Even if I can refuse to answer in court cause it may incriminate me. Being a Christian means telling the truth. Christians do not follow the father of lies.

KatherineS said:

A statement in Court is a normal sense except for the fact that one has sworn to God to tell the truth.

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Why do you believe that to be the case.

Vendetta said:

Who here is defending the Bishop's decision to drink and drive?

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Those who suffer from poor baby sinner syndrome. Who, when something like this happens, rather then calling a person on it, (to whom much is given, much is expected of him), they rather say, oh he's a baby sinner, poor and human like us all.

No! No. It's not like us all... This is not plain old concupiscence, being imperfect. These are crimes where you make a conscious choice to do something you know is wrong and illegal and you do it anyway.

The man is a bishop for crying out loud. He knows what he's doing, he knows what he did, there isn't anything poor about him.

KatherineS said:

The swearing to God is optional to accomodate atheists. Are you suggesting the bishop declined the oath?

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Wait, what? Are you suggesting a person swears an oath at his arraignment?

KatherineS said:

The swearing to God is optional to accomodate atheists. Are you suggesting the bishop declined the oath?

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That is not what I meant.

I meant, what makes you think that a not guilty plea in the context of the court system means the same thing as saying one is not guilty of something in the normal sense of everyday language.

Lots of words and phrases have different, or more specific or limited meanings when used in specialized contexts. The legal system is probably one of the most extreme examples of that I can think of.

He's needs a lawyer cuz they will throw the book at him, he is a bishop. If he don't know better, who does? . He is trying to minimize his punishment. I just hope he's not using Church money to pay for this. I hope some relative of his is flipping the bill.

The prosecutor probably will go after him more then they normally would but then again, courts all over the nation are finally getting serious about drunk drivers because the deaths the cause are off the charts... this man who I'm sure calls himself "pro life" ought to be ashamed of himself, for real.

I'm sure the judge will be harsh on him more then the usual... hmmm wonder why? Hmmm, maybe because he KNOWS BETTER and there really is NO excuse...

benedictaoo said:

He's needs a lawyer cuz they will throw the book at him, he is a bishop. If he don't know better, who does? . He is trying to minimize his punishment. I just hope he's not using Church money to pay for this. I hope some relative of his is flipping the bill.

The prosecutor probably will go after him more then they normally would but then again, courts all over the nation are finally getting serious about drunk drivers because the deaths the cause are off the charts... this man who I'm sure calls himself "pro life" ought to be ashamed of himself, for real.

I'm sure the judge will be harsh on him more then the usual... hmmm wonder why? Hmmm, maybe because he KNOWS BETTER and there really is NO excuse...

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If he can't afford a lawyer, the state will provide one at no cost.

This is why we should not be drunk outside our own room or house. Why?
You're drunk? Go directly to this:

Azureknight 773 said:

This is why we should not be drunk outside our own room or house. Why?
You're drunk? Go directly to this:

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Jack Kerouac famously said in Belief and Technique for Modern Prose, Try never get drunk outside yr own house.