Let there be Separation in the Accretion Disk

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And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day. Genesis 1:6-8 NIV.

The early universe was jammed packed with highly energized particles. These particles consisted of protons, neutrons and electrons that possessed a great amount of energy in the form of momentum, or speed if you will. This momentum still exists in the universe; because energy never disappears it just gets redistributed. The momentum of these early objects was distributed to other objects as they slammed into each other, which produced energy in the form of photons, and objects that were moving at a slower pace, or, less energetic.

Over time some of the mass in the universe became gravitationally attracted, and because the momentum had decreased, the objects started to circle around each other. This is the beginning of the great galaxy forming clouds that began to organize the universe into what we see today.

These uncounted protons, neutrons and electrons through their gravitational attraction started to clump together, creating the first stars. The massive stars of the early universe plowed through the clouds of tiny objects scooping them up and adding them to their already massive sizes. The cores of these stars could not withstand the inward pressure and collapsed, creating an outward reaction in the form of an explosion. Supernovas were the spectacular end to the original stars, and this turned out to be a good thing for us, because these explosions spread the material that the stars collected throughout the cosmos. Supernovas also spread objects larger than protons; i.e., the elements of the periodic table that were created in the intense heat of the stellar caldron.

As a result the great clouds of gas and dust were full of the heavier elements that make life possible on our world. As more and smaller stars formed, these clouds of stuff begin to fall into a disk that orbits the equator of the star. This is called an accretion disk. The majority of objects in our solar system orbit the sun along an accretion disk and the same is true for our galaxy.

During the formation of our solar system, the accretion disk was similar to the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Collections of rock and ice whizzed around waiting for a chance to smash into something (hopefully not us). In the midst of this spinning confusion, matter started to clump together and form the planets. As the planets got bigger, they collected more and more of the material orbiting in their vicinity. The accretion disk started to see lanes in it, like the Cassini Division in the rings of Saturn. The planets separated the disk of rocks and ice until the disk disappeared, leaving remnants for us to study; the Asteroid Belt, the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud.

This brings us to our Bible passage. On the second day, God separated the waters to create the land for us to live on. This is consistent with our understanding of the formation of galaxies and solar systems. The Stars and planets form in clouds of material, and those clouds form accretion disks that separate and create lanes when the stars and planets plow through them to form the necessary structures that support life. The biblical story talks about water separating to form the land because Moses looked up in the sky and saw what looked like water, and looked down and saw water, and so his description is understandable. But it hides a greater truth…

God separated the material within the universe to form a wonderful place where we can exist.

“God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.”

God bless you,

Pastor Bill
First Baptist Church of Rahway
 

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Bill, do you have any plans to stick around and discuss, or do you find that vomiting massive walls of text then threading out to be more effective?

Do you have question on what he said?
 
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Do you have question on what he said?

Even if he does not, I do. Actually, no question, it is just a comment. If you can interpret this Biblical passage:

Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

As this:

The Stars and planets form in clouds of material, and those clouds form accretion disks that separate and create lanes when the stars and planets plow through them to form the necessary structures that support life.

You can make the Bible (or any other book) explain cold fusion and quantum physics.
 
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Didn't I post a thread almost identical to this? ... How was the reaction to that? Let's take a look shall we? ...

http://www.christianforums.com/t7695720/

Hmmm, not positive was it? That's because you can't make the Bible fit history and you can't rewrite it to make it congruent with science either. Simply put, they don't agree.
 
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Even if he does not, I do. Actually, no question, it is just a comment. If you can interpret this Biblical passage:
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As this:
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You can make the Bible (or any other book) explain cold fusion and quantum physics.
.(mistake)
 
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Even if he does not, I do. Actually, no question, it is just a comment. If you can interpret this Biblical passage:

As this:

You can make the Bible (or any other book) explain cold fusion and quantum physics.

I know nothing about quantum physics. Moses knew even less than nothing about it. However, God has His way of making Moses write something about it. It reads something like "water" and "firmament" etc. And I have to say that it is beautifully done. Nobody can do it better than that.
 
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I know nothing about quantum physics. Moses knew even less than nothing about it. However, God has His way of making Moses write something about it. It reads something like "water" and "firmament" etc. And I have to say that it is beautifully done. Nobody can do it better than that.
But Moses isn't describing quantum physics. He's clearly describing synchronized swimming.
 
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I know nothing about quantum physics. Moses knew even less than nothing about it. However, God has His way of making Moses write something about it. It reads something like "water" and "firmament" etc. And I have to say that it is beautifully done. Nobody can do it better than that.

So, you guys keep saying that science changes every day. And that is not entirely false. Now, let's say that new evidence is discovered that indicates we were completely wrong about how solar systems form. A very different process is then described. Let me guess, the Bible will match that too, right?
 
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Howdy Folks,

As always the responses are very interesting. Thanks to everyone who joined into this discussion.

My writings on science and the Bible are aimed at helping Believers understand how wonderful science is. Science is the study of how God did it. The field of science that I enjoy is astrophysics and I like to share some of my enthusiasm with other people of faith. What nonbelievers don't understand is that people of faith look to the Bible first when trying to understand the mysteries of the universe. Thus, if a person wants to teach science to believers, that person has to find connections with the Bible.

The Bible is not a science book, it is a faith book. And so it doesn't address every scientific theory. However, there are writings that do help us to see that God created the heavens and the earth in a way that can be understood. I'm just trying to contribute something to a greater level of understanding.

Peace, Bill
 
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But Moses isn't describing quantum physics. He's clearly describing synchronized swimming.

The trick is that Moses did not know what was he talking about. But we can interpret it better for him.

If we are able to do that, it would be just fine. An acceptable scientific interpretation was not needed to strength the faith of Moses. But it will certainly do good to us.
 
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So, you guys keep saying that science changes every day. And that is not entirely false. Now, let's say that new evidence is discovered that indicates we were completely wrong about how solar systems form. A very different process is then described. Let me guess, the Bible will match that too, right?

You got it exactly right. The scientific implication in the Bible will be valid 1000 years into the future.

For example, a global flood will be proved to be true, plants appeared before the sun, and indeed, one man and one woman make the best marriage.
 
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The trick is that Moses did not know what was he talking about. But we can interpret it better for him.

You have unintentionally described the process of creationist Bible interpretation more perfectly than you can possibly imagine.
 
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You got it exactly right. The scientific implication in the Bible will be valid 1000 years into the future.

For example, a global flood will be proved to be true, plants appeared before the sun, and indeed, one man and one woman make the best marriage.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH8K0bPc-BE

Oh, you were serious?
 
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You got it exactly right. The scientific implication in the Bible will be valid 1000 years into the future.

For example, a global flood will be proved to be true, plants appeared before the sun, and indeed, one man and one woman make the best marriage.

In other words, you didn't read a word I wrote.
 
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