Secular music - Revealing too much, or publicity stunt?

WARNING- May contain things you don't want to know, I would suggest only reading if you are comfortable with, or have researched, the "hidden evils" of the world!



We all know about the Jay-Z, Rihanna, Kesha, Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Madonna, Kanye West, etc etc... "thing". I won't go into that. While they have revealed a lot, possibly for publicity, possibly not, you can find quite a bit of information already on them.

I want to talk about Stone Sour for a moment. Corey Taylor, well known Atheist, lead singer of Slipknot and Stone Sour, is known for his very anti-religious and and anti-God statements and lyrics.

I've got a couple examples, which is 2 of MANY, that I'd like to review with you.

"When my gods are released on a world that is falling down
My call is a beast that will not let me give up now
I know- I'm all or nothing"

"When my gods are released on a world that is falling down" Ring a bell? Revelations. "My call is a beast that will not let me give up now" - Getting as many people to go towards sin as possible. "I'm all or nothing" - They will kill him if he speaks out.

"Among the others keeping secrets to save myself
I could blend into the background and savor the unknown
I could practice preservation and hide behind this shell"

Keeping secrets to save himself, you could interpret this as him being part of a group, if he speaks out, they kill him. The second and third lines, by the way he kind of "sighs" while he's singing it, he wishes he could be oblivious to what he knows, and hide behind his shell (his body), and live like most others, who do not know the evils in the world. (I actually feel him on this one, I'm the same way, but it still bothers him immensely, it doesn't bother me at all due to the grace of The Lord).

These are excerpts from the song "Influence of a Drowsy God"

How did I come across this? I used to listen to Slipknot, a lot, before I was reborn (I definitely do not anymore). I decided to check out Stone Sour (Vocalist is the same as in slipknot), (heard they were softer, thought it might be alright), listened to every one of their songs, and found out they have a much more sinister message, hidden behind a softer tone. I would not suggest listening to them, other than for research, or confirmation for yourself.

For me, after researching certain "things" for around 6 years now, the lyrics Stone Sour creates is nothing short of evil. It's very obvious from listening to him that he fully believes in God, despite saying he's an atheist. In one song he says "I don't want to be an Angel, (screams) I JUST WANT TO BE GOD!!!". -I'd like to point out, that when that part came up, I went into a state of very intensely heightened hearing before it even came up, then when I heard it my heart dropped, as if God wanted me to hear it-.

It seems like the music industry is moving away from subliminal messaging and is going full force, with the Pop industry being the main force, and bands like Stone Sour (as previewed above).

To me, with the research I've done on Hollywood's secrets, this seems like they're moving very quickly in whatever they're trying to accomplish, and are in the final stages. I can't say exactly for sure what they're doing, but I'm almost certain it has to do with demonic forces.

Just 10 years ago the music was vastly different, it has grown more hateful (rock), lustful (pop and rap), and greedy(rap - "gettin money" songs are everywhere) in a very very short amount of time.

Do you think this is confirmation that we're entering the end times within our generation, or do you think I'm reading too much into it, and it's a publicity stunt?

Personally, a publicity stunt like this wouldn't make any sense... but I just don't know.

Thoughts?

Yes, to answer your question. Not only music, but also movies and t.v. shows. This does not distress me as much as Christians denying that it is happening. There is so much now that clearly demonstrate that we are already in the prophesied end of the age.

I gave up listening to heavy metal because I believed it was causing my anxiety and depression. I have felt much better for doing so. I can see now how this music was turning me away from God. There are so many heavy metal bands that kids are listening to that have way more evil lyrics than Slipknot and Stone Sour. They are just the tip of the iceberg.

Oy vey, wouldn't you be using your time more productively if you were interpreting scripture instead of trying to interpret what a musician is trying to say? Because at least you can be absolutely certain that the bible was written in a way for some to understand.

While I agree with you that Hollywood is a haven for legitimately demonic influence to express itself (as well as plain old human corruption too), I'm not about to throw an entire genre of music from the "freedom train" just because of the precondition that heavy metal, for example, is Satanic. If I'm getting on that boat I'm going to have to opt for thunder, erupting volcanoes, and roaring lions etc to be considered malevolent forces abounding...seeing as they're on par with the gritty rumblings of metal music.

Speaking of which I think we need to start shunning the ocean deep as well, has anyone seen an angler fish before? Talk about "questionable content":

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The guy in the middle must have some kind of secret alliance with our potential oceanic foes; observe his doting behavior. Perhaps an assembly should be called to matter to defend ourselves against these sinisterly adorned beasts of the deep.

And MAN, wait a second, who's the guy who gave these things the ok on the production line?

Oh yeah, that's right:

Genesis 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Sorry that this post transformed into one giant metaphorical eye-roll, bear with me folks.

Mazzaroth said:

Oy vey, wouldn't you be using your time more productively if you were interpreting scripture instead of trying to interpret what a musician is trying to say? Because at least you can be absolutely certain that the bible was written in a way for some to understand.

While I agree with you that Hollywood is a haven for legitimately demonic influence to express itself (as well as plain old human corruption too), I'm not about to throw an entire genre of music from the "freedom train" just because of the precondition that heavy metal, for example, is Satanic. If I'm getting on that boat I'm going to have to opt for thunder, erupting volcanoes, and roaring lions etc to be considered malevolent forces abounding...seeing as they're on par with the gritty rumblings of metal music.

Speaking of which I think we need to start shunning the ocean deep as well, has anyone seen an angler fish before? Talk about "questionable content":

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The guy in the middle must have some kind of secret alliance with our potential oceanic foes; observe his doting behavior. Perhaps an assembly should be called to matter to defend ourselves against these sinisterly adorned beasts of the deep.

And MAN, wait a second, who's the guy who gave these things the ok on the production line?

Oh yeah, that's right:

Genesis 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Sorry that this post transformed into one giant metaphorical eye-roll, bear with me folks.

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I spend a lot of time interpreting a lot of things. I'm the type of person that takes The Bible as 100% law. What's the problem with looking outside it, though? Healthy conversation about determining what is good and what is bad is important for the future generation.

With that said, I do think our generation will be the last, but it's entirely likely that it might not be. If there is a next generation, we need to be able to discern good from evil as well as possible.

I know you'll probably respond with "The Lord has given us the tools to recognize right from wrong", and you'd be right, however, I know some of the most absolute devout Christians, who are pure of heart, that watch T.V. regularly and some who listen to the darker Pop music.

I think it's important to point out these things, especially to try to "nudge" our youth (I'm only 22, but you know, the other little ones), away from secular evils of society as much as possible. A lot of it we can't avoid, like T.V., for the most part, but things like this, we can. Obviously, try not to overdo it or they'll rebel and go into it anyway.

While there are very obvious evils like the people part of the... secret organization, I think it's important to point out things like this, because to many, stone sour is an "inspirational" band. Thing is, people don't bother to listen closely enough to the lyrics to see otherwise.

My biggest worry is that all these Pop stars are targeting pre-teens and young teens, prepping their generation the way they did mine, but to an even more severe degree.

And for the record, although I do think heavy metal is in general evil, I think it's all about the lyrics and the subliminal messages or sounds (an example of a subliminal sound is Rihanna's Umbrella - you can look it up if you want, but I suggest you don't).

Hinton90 said:

I spend a lot of time interpreting a lot of things. I'm the type of person that takes The Bible as 100% law. What's the problem with looking outside it, though? Healthy conversation about determining what is good and what is bad is important for the future generation.

With that said, I do think our generation will be the last, but it's entirely likely that it might not be. If there is a next generation, we need to be able to discern good from evil as well as possible.

I know you'll probably respond with "The Lord has given us the tools to recognize right from wrong", and you'd be right, however, I know some of the most absolute devout Christians, who are pure of heart, that watch T.V. regularly and some who listen to the darker Pop music.

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Aye aye, captain. I can't even remember the last time I watched TV, granted I can't stand reading either. I never do it. I play a lot of video games, though.

But before I get to my point, what do you think of God's creepers? If I dressed up in a similar way to these kinds of creatures would I be "evil"? Since when does evil LOOK like anything? Evil is in actions and heart.

Anyway...

It is important for a Christian (especially a young Christian) to feel free. If they do not feel free, what is the point? They will abandon their path. We are not responsible for the discernment or salvation of the young in Christ (or anyone else for that matter), and if they are truly a child of God I believe in time they will eventually figure it out for themselves. It's good to be like, "Hey, don't listen to all that Jay-Z stuff, you see those baphomet heads? Yeah, no." and it is likewise good to empower them with a healthy prospect of being rebellious towards evil. This can actually empower them to continue in their faith rather than feeling trapped to dead laws and tradition. People should be more worried about what their constant pecking does to a youth's faith more than what music or TV does, because they could themselves be the cause of a temporary abandonment of faith in the individual.

Rebellion does not always have to be a negative thing, and it is one of the reasons that I took up the faith to begin with. My faith in Jesus Christ is an act of rebellion against the governing authorities and the 'conspiracy' of the music industry etc, because I figured out it's what they seem to hate the most so I assumed whatever the pagans hate the most must pose some kind of legitimate threat to them...

"Excellent, so they fear the sword; I shall become it." I said to myself.

My logic behind it is that these people manifest the basest occult desires: power, fame, wealth, etc. and this is expressed in their music videos when they use common symbols of power (Eye of Providence, baphomet etc).

When this kind of demonic influence or corruption of heart is manifest, the first thing that needs to be done if the forces of evil wish to keep the lost trapped is to ensure no obstructions occur. The "floodgates" in these particular kinds of situations that will stop the flow of water seem to all lead to Christianity. All I hear on and on, non-stop is slander against Christ. And I've hated the nature of these people since I was 15, man, so their antagonist may as well be my protagonist. Their antagonist is likely the one that put it in me to be so valiantly opposed to everything to begin with.

But of course my reasoning goes deeper than that.

Mazzaroth said:

It is important for a Christian (especially a young Christian) to feel free. If they do not feel free, what is the point? They will abandon their path. We are not responsible for the discernment or salvation of the young in Christ (or anyone else for that matter), and if they are truly a child of God I believe in time they will eventually figure it out for themselves. It's good to be like, "Hey, don't listen to all that Jay-Z stuff, you see those baphomet heads? Yeah, no." and it is likewise good to empower them with a healthy prospect of being rebellious towards evil. This can actually empower them to continue in their faith rather than feeling trapped to dead laws and tradition. People should be more worried about what their constant pecking does to a youth's faith more than what music or TV does, because they could themselves be the cause of a temporary abandonment of faith in the individual.

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I completely agree that you have to let the children be free, but don't you think that maybe in today's world, we should be a little more pro-active? You seem to know the stuff about the music industry, so you know they subliminally make people think that lust and greed are very important. This is especially effective when children listen to them, because their minds are still being molded.

I know telling them "These people sold their soul to The Rain Man/Baphomet and should be avoided at all costs" is going to be absolutely absurd sounding to them, so obviously we can't go that route. However, we should try and nudge them towards shunning this type of music by sending them to private schools, keeping them engaged in extra-curricular activities, etc, since these things keep the mind busy with more important and nicer things.

I see you're 22, the same age as me, so you probably completely understand how our generation grew up. We grew up by our peers in school, as well as being taught evolution and other secular teachings.

I just think since they're becoming much more aggressive, I think we should be too. Raise them listening to happy music, such as Bob Marley (making them listen to gospel all the time might be a bit much), bring them to church (if they want to, if not, of course don't force them), send them to a private school.

Oh how I wish I could live in a communal society, too bad it's almost impossible to do so in the USA.

Well, I am a senior citizen. I came of age during the 60's. Since then, I have seen society slowly implode. But I saw great revival in young people as well. God is able to save future generations, but I believe it is important that we pray for future generations as well. Yes we should be creative in teaching children the right Way, and giving them disciplines that will shape their little minds to want to do God's will. The Bible says we are the salt of the earth, the light of the world, because we belong to Jesus. So we have to make serving Him attractive. We don't make Him look inviting when we are mean, or hateful, or judgmental. Yes we should teach the Word, but more importantly, we must live the Word. I know, watching my elders had a wonderful impact on my life.

Mazzaroth said:

I never do it. I play a lot of video games, though.

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Out of curiosity, how do you view video games?

My viewpoint is they're the most "pure" form of modern entertainment since there's very little manipulation that can happen, but at the same time I wonder if The Lord would want me sitting on my butt for 6 hours playing league of legends.

I know there's no way to really tell, since it's such a new thing and it couldn't have possibly been even comprehended by people thousands of years ago who were given visions by Christ.

Hinton90 said:

Out of curiosity, how do you view video games?

My viewpoint is they're the most "pure" form of modern entertainment since there's very little manipulation that can happen, but at the same time I wonder if The Lord would want me sitting on my butt for 6 hours playing league of legends.

I know there's no way to really tell, since it's such a new thing and it couldn't have possibly been even comprehended by people thousands of years ago who were given visions by Christ.

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I've been a video gamer since...well, the beginning of video games (I got a Pong for Christmas in 1975). There are people who give up a normal life for their gaming, usually being enabled by weak parents and a strong welfare system.

But, if you are well-grounded, with a normal family, work, and faith life, then video games are no different than any other time-consuming hobby. Golf, fishing, TV watching, quilting, model railroading, auto restoration, and any other pastime that borders on obsession is no different than gaming. Its all in how you balance it.

Hinton90 said:

Out of curiosity, how do you view video games?

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Yup, I am actually 22.

I grew up on playing video games, and I wouldn't say all of them could be considered "pure". There are games I played as a child that I wouldn't even want to see now (Silent Hill: The Room, for example, I hate those games). In high school I was playing PS2. Before that I was playing a lot of Playstation and N64 games. I'd elaborate but it's irrelevant to non-denominational, maybe I'll post my PC specs for fun later on.

What did it do for my childhood? I think it was very good for my brain. From my perspective back then, things aren't bad if you have no concept of what "bad" is, so I think there's a kind of "garden of eden syndrome" that children experience. In my family we chose whether or not we wanted to play with barbies etc and it was something I naturally avoided. I just liked playing NES and going outside more.

Sometimes I'd play when the sun was setting until it was rising again, but I don't do that anymore.

As for the industry stuff, no one told me about any of the things I've learned now, in fact some of my family thinks I'm crazy. Would it be fair to tell a young person about this stuff? What if it's not their purpose? I mean, when I was 15 people just thought I was "rebelling against society" or whatever, which was likely an excellent cover while God was preparing me for what I'm doing now. It happened one day in 7th grade for no reason, I don't even think the class had anything to do with government. Suddenly I thought, "the system is corrupt, the schools are corrupt, what's going on man?" I just have no desire to try to mold a soul into shape, it doesn't mean I'd tolerate corrupt behaviors or ideologies.

Maybe it's because no one influenced me at all, no one showed me the music industry stuff, and I didn't even find it online (at the time I had a dial-up modem anyway). I was pretty much allowed to do whatever I wanted since I was very young, but regardless of that I wasn't that bad of a kid at all. I think it was because I KNEW I could do whatever I wanted so I had no need to 'retaliate'. When you wind a coil up, it's going to snap back eventually. But I could be wrong.

I think we may disregard how God gently and gradually guides everyone to where they need to be. I think we also disregard what might lurk in God's "night".

Mazzaroth said:

As for the industry stuff, no one told me about any of the things I've learned now, in fact some of my family thinks I'm crazy. Would it be fair to tell a young person about this stuff? What if it's not their purpose? I mean, when I was 15 people just thought I was "rebelling against society" or whatever, which was likely an excellent cover while God was preparing me for what I'm doing now. It happened one day in 7th grade for no reason, I don't even think the class had anything to do with government. Suddenly I thought, "the system is corrupt, the schools are corrupt, what's going on man?" I just have no desire to try to mold a soul into shape, it doesn't mean I'd tolerate corrupt behaviors or ideologies.

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I'm the exact same way. It was the same for me, around grade 7-9. I don't want to go into specifics, but it was whenever we were being taught about the JFK assassination.

It's a gift of the spirit, and a burden to the body, being able to discern good from evil. I'm sure you too have that feeling of "I want to say this, but I can't" when someone brings up certain subjects.

As for telling the younger kids this stuff, I honestly think I'm even too young to know what I know, I guess you too since you're also 22. I think it happened for a reason though, something will happen in our lifetime that will require us to do something with our knowledge. We will just have to wait and see what.

Wouldn't wish this knowledge on anyone to be completely honest, but I think God showed me because I hit rock bottom and was hanging around the wrong crowd back then, it definitely worked.

The thing is with "secular" music - especially with a lot of the better bands out today - a lot of metaphors are used because of the poetic aspect to their lyrics. What you see as ill-intent lyrics are mostly just metaphors. Since the writer is not a christian, they have no reason to not use a saying like "I don't want to be an angel, I want to be god", where from your end you see that as blasphemous due to your affiliation with the religion.

Corey Taylor is an anti-theist as are most Metal musicians. This occurred in the 80's from Christian fundamentalism which cast the music aside as Satanically inspired when the irony was that quite a lot of the musicians were Christian.
Hollywood has no agenda but the musicians express their dislike for religion as a whole no doubt. They wish to reform religion and more importantly the true religion taught by Jesus Christ. This New Age spirituality is the issue for most mainstream media while for rock and metal it is utter atheism.

As a Pest Management Professional for thirty years, I have written articles for major magazines on topics relating to the industry. One topic concerned the use of entomology in determining the time of death.

Forensics is a phenomenally interesting field of study that has led to the capture of serial killers and the release of those who were not guilty.

Crime shows, notwithstanding the violence they contain, may also include elements of forensics that, in some situations, may go a bit further than an ordinary investigation would take a case; still, the advancement in today's forensics blows me away.

And so, yes, I watch crime shows, read true crime books, have a large library on historic criminals, and all this despite realizing deeply that the heart of man is desperately wicked. If anyone should know that truth, I should. The works of the flesh are manifest in the criminal world at a level that shouts evil from the rooftops. And yet, one can learn from the work that is being done, the piecing together of puzzles that, most times, only science and a streak of luck (God's involvement?) can solve.
Dave

I'm interested in knowing if the style of music influences the lyrics to you guys. Let's say the lyrics are all Christian based, are you content to place those words in metal sounds or not? I really would like both pro's and con's on this question. Good thread so far.

tobethebest said:

I'm interested in knowing if the style of music influences the lyrics to you guys. Let's say the lyrics are all Christian based, are you content to place those words in metal sounds or not? I really would like both pro's and con's on this question. Good thread so far.

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For me, the lyrics are the biggest thing, however, sounds play a HUGE part in our existence.

I think that listening to metal hurts us spiritually because it's a "pick up and let down", sort of like an energy drink. You want to feel that way all the time, but you can't, so then your life starts feeling dull until you listen to some heavy metal again. I don't need to do research on this to know this, I grew up on metal, I went to concerts all the time and the whole works. I no longer listen to metal, except on occasions when my friends want to, then I just deal with it and listen to it, and I feel infinitely better.

-On a personal, non-scientifically proven note, I'd like to point out that when I listened to metal I felt invincible. This is part of the "pick me up", I'd imagine it releases chemicals in the brain that make you extremely happy. I believe this has a similar effect to Xanax/Heroin, it makes you feel great when you take it, but if you try to get off of it you will feel horrible, paranoid, and want to kill yourself. If you listen to it ALL the time, it's like taking Xanax/Heroin ALL the time, it's not good!-

I also think subliminal sounds play a big factor in secular music, especially the "Dark" music, such as Rihanna, Lady GaGa, Beyonce, etc... If you listen to their songs they say things like "ella ella ella eh eh e" and "ga ga ram ah ah ga ga ram ah ah, ga ga ram ah ah", which if you think about it, have a very strong effect on the spirit. Try listening to one of those songs without getting those random things stuck in your head. Is it some sort of spell? I don't know. I can't stand listening to those songs, but I still get it stuck in my head if I hear it anywhere I go.

I have very strong personal feelings about the big pop and rap stars. I've done a lot of research into subliminal messaging, and some into wizardry/voodoo (it's real, and sickening), and I see a lot of patterns that match my research perfectly to "spells" in music. This is one of my more radical thoughts, and I even sometimes doubt it, but meh. Do not research this subject, just stay away from this type of music, trust me. It's one of many things that you're probably better off not knowing.

Sounds and vibrations play a HUGE part in our lives, more than we credit them for. Our entire spirit vibrates, the faster it vibrates, the happier we are, the more down we are, the slower it vibrates. Any sort of sound effects this, as well as our mood. I'm not sure why they stopped talking about this, but it was documented scientifically in I believe the 70's on a television program. There's a reason why metal listeners have such a high suicide and hostility rate, and it's not just a stereotype, it's proven by science.

Again I'd like to re-iterate that I was raised on heavy metal. Metallica/Megadeth into Slipknot into Lamb of God/Gojira. If someone like me would completely drastically change their musical taste, there is something wrong with it. I'm not saying everyone who listens to it will be hostile or commit suicide, but it does cause depression of the spirit, whether you notice or not.

When I was 16 I was diagnosed with:

Severe Depression
Major ADD
Anxiety

When I stopped listening to metal, and listened to things like Mozart and other classical music, all of this just... went away. It's not a coincidence. I'd also like to say, that I also stopped watching TV, as well.

I know this is a long post, but I hope someone reads it who might be wondering if their choice in music is hurting their spirit or not, and that it helps them. I decided to make it this long because I'm very passionate about it, and am very pro - "happy music", because it effects our spirit directly.

I know I went off-topic answering your question, but it's hard to answer your question with a fully direct answer, so I hope this explains it.

I don't know. My favorite band is Thrice, and they certainly have metal roots (they thrashed a little bit in their early days).

In fact, I always felt that listening to Thrice almost always pulled me in the direction of the nearest bible. Taking an interest in their music made me want to take a MUCH bigger interest in the bible.

Of course, their lead singer, Dustin Kensrue, is Christian, and many of his lyrics are based around scripture. It doesn't hurt that they are beautifully poetic and largely positive.

They are certainly a secular band, though.

This is just my experience with one particular band, though.

Here's some links to a few of their songs (with lyrics) if anyone's interested.

Thrice - Deadbolt (Early metalish days -- largely influenced by Proverbs 9:13

Thrice - Come All You Weary (Not Metal but awesome Jesus message)

Thrice - Words in the Water (My Favorite! Beautiful song about how dead we were under The Law and how alive we are in Jesus.-- Lyrics in description)

Also, I believe that the music you listen to can certainly have an impact on your mood.

So, if you listen to negative stuff, it can contribute to you having a negative mindset. If you listen to positive stuff, it can pick you up.

One could also say that if you listen to worship music and feel good it is also that "heroin" effect. However, you are not supposed to listen to music and not have your mood affected by it. If you were supposed to listen to it and not feel something emotionally changed, then music would have no other appealing qualities. I love my metal. As a guitarist I love hearing the amazing musical theory that goes behind it. Things like metallica, slayer, becoming the archetype, etc. are so packed with musical theory.

A song for you to check out is becoming the archetype's adaptation of 'How Great Thou Art' - Brilliantly done. I can't post a link because I dont have a high enough post amount, but look it up on youtube