What does the God of the creation think about homosexuality?

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Now that we have established that homosexuality is considered a sin, let’s take a look at the Lord’s wrath being poured out because of this abomination. Let us direct our attention to Genesis 18:17.
And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; (Genesis 18:17)
Why did the Lord stop to talk to Abraham? Make a special notation of the next few scriptures.
Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. (Genesis 18:18-19)

The statement offered above gives us the explanation of why the Lord stopped to talk to Abraham. The reason is this, “that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.” Brothers and sisters if we do justice and judge righteously the Lord will also reveal His secrets to us. If we keep the commandments then we will be able to do justice. Let’s continue:
And the LORD said, “Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.” (Genesis 18:20-21)

Sisters and brothers, note what the verse says, “their sin is very grievousWhat is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4). This indicates to us that the law was around long before the Prophet Moses came into the picture. Let’s continue:
And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake. And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake. And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. (Genesis 18:22-33)
Abraham was pretty bold don’t you think? Let’s go right into the 19th chapter and see this grievous sin that was being committed.

And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (Genesis 19:1-4)
Abraham could have asked the Lord if there was one righteous. Notice the verse states, “people from every quarter.” We see that there were none considered righteous and all were worthy of death.
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:5-8)

Lot offered his virgin daughters to these sodomites? That’s deep! Let’s see what happen next.
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. (Genesis 19:9-11)
Note what the verse says, “they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.” They still made an attempt to break the door down to sodomize Lot and the two angels, after they were blinded. This is an example of James 1:14, where it states, “But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” By the way brothers and sisters, if an individual commits any sin continually, after they have been informed or have the knowledge that it is sin; the Lord may kill an individual with the first death, which Adam past onto us all. And after that He may wake up the same individual in the second resurrection and will have an angel throw them into the lake of fire. So, we see that the men of Sodom were involved in homosexual activity. Let’s see this death that was brought about by the Lord because of sin. Let’s skip down to the 24th verse.
Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (Genesis 19:24-25)
The Lord destroyed all the inhabitants of the city and all the plain, nothing escaped but Lot and his two daughters. Why? Because of sin, which brings about death?
 
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Sorry, but I don't thing God has an issue with homosexuals.

Most of the no-gay rules were for the Israelites, which are from the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy which also include other laws such as castrated men not being able to attend synagogues, which we surely don't follow as Christians.

Additionally the Bible only refers to what happened in Sodom as 'abomination', which can include a variety of things than just homosexuality (rape? incest?).

Additionally, Paul =/= Jesus. Even though Paul only laid down the basics and a set of 'rules' of Christianity for the people his letters were addressed to.
 
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Sorry, but I don't thing God has an issue with homosexuals.

Most of the no-gay rules were for the Israelites, which are from the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy which also include other laws such as castrated men not being able to attend synagogues, which we surely don't follow as Christians.

Additionally the Bible only refers to what happened in Sodom as 'abomination', which can include a variety of things than just homosexuality (rape? incest?).

Additionally, Paul =/= Jesus. Even though Paul only laid down the basics and a set of 'rules' of Christianity for the people his letters were addressed to.



Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let continue with Paul.

Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Nowlets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God,.

Now Paul said in Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Keep in mind there was no New Testament when Paul and the apostles wrote these letters.

Lets go into the last book of the BIble...Revelation 21: 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. Paul said in Hebrews 10: (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Your interpretation of this scripture is a common and a natural one. But, I'm afraid, it is inaccurate in a couple of major ways

In these passages Paul is pleading with Hebrew Christians to get out of the mindset of needing a sacrifice for every sin. He is explaining that there is only ONE sacrifice, Jesus.

We know this because the passage you refer to is a continuation of Paul's comments in chapter 6 of the same book.

Paul is dealing with a major lack of understanding from Jewish Christians and he is reviewing the basic principles of the Christian faith in the first three verses.

Hebrews 6:1-3
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit."

He is quickly reviewing the basics: things like turning from the works of Judaism, turning to faith in Jesus, the principles of baptism, the resurrection, and the eternal judgement. He does this because they have a lack of understanding and he doesn't want them to fall prey to false teachers.

He then lists several qualities of believers in verses 4-5 to make sure there is no doubt he is talking about people who have been saved.

Hebrews 6:4-5
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

He talks about enlightened people, people who have tasted of the heavenly gift, the Holy Ghost, the word of God. It is obvious he is talking about people who have received salvation.

The next verse is where we come full circle and get the connection with the verse you used; Hebrews 10:26. Check it out:

Hebrews 6:6
"If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

This, again, reiterates what Hebrews 10:26 says that there can be "NO MORE sacrifices for sin."

Why can't there be any more sacrifices for sin?
Because there is only one sacrifice for sin and that's Jesus! If you lost your salvation because you sinned, you would have to sacrifice the Son of God again. And again, and again, for all the times you sinned. And that's, of course, impossible.


But that is what these Jewish people making the transition to Christianity were accustomed to. Paul is pleading with them, quite vehemently, to get away from these beliefs and practices, because they can only stunt your spiritual growth.

Okay, So What About the Fire Stuff?

It is natural when you see fire talked about in the Bible for your mind to automatically assume it is referring to hell. This is an incorrect assumption, however.

Fire is often just used to describe God's judgement. God's only judgement isn't whether or not you go to hell. Let's take a look at a couple of instances where fire is used to describe God's judgement on Believers who have already sealed their salvation.

1peter 1:7
"That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:"

Here, fire is used to describe how trials in Christians lives help them weed out their iniquities. It is compared to how fire is used to separate the impurities from Gold. Life trials are compared to this fire, and in the same way they are used to separate impurities from a Christians life.

Another instance where fire is used on Believers that certainly aren't going to hell is at the Judgement Seat of Christ.

The Bible says that after the Rapture there will be a Believers-only judgement carried out by Jesus. Let's take a look:

1Corinthians 3:10-15
"10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

Okay, so here Paul is explaining the Christian life using the metaphor of a building. It kind of reminds me of the Three Little Pigs. Life starts at salvation, and so Christ is the foundation. After you have your foundation, it is up to you how you build your house based on the works you do after your salvation.

If you choose to partake in spiritually-charged works in line with the will of God then you have chosen to build your home with gold, silver, and other precious stones.

If you choose to partake in fleshly works not in line with God's will then you have chosen to build your house with wood and straw.

After the Rapture everyone is going to bring their house to Jesus and Jesus is going to set it on fire. The sections of your house that you built with wood and straw (Ungodly works) are going to burn away to ashes.

However, the parts of your house that you built with gold, silver, and precious stones (spiritually-fueled works) are going to endure. And you will be rewarded for these works.

If you've built your house entirely out of wood, then it's all going to burn and you will be left with only the foundation of Christ. No rewards.

Now, perhaps the most important part of this passage, NOTHING can take away your foundation. We know this because of verse 15. Let's look at it again:

1Corinthians 3:15
" If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

This verse says that sure, you're ungodly works are going to be burned, but YOU are going to be saved. This fire is a fire of Grace. You will be saved by this fire because it burns all your bad parts leaving only the good stuff and the foundation of Christ. I love this fire!

This is what it means for willful sinners to burn. Not burn in hell, but to burn their iniquities away.
 
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Sorry, but I don't thing God has an issue with homosexuals.

Most of the no-gay rules were for the Israelites, which are from the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy which also include other laws such as castrated men not being able to attend synagogues, which we surely don't follow as Christians.

Additionally the Bible only refers to what happened in Sodom as 'abomination', which can include a variety of things than just homosexuality (rape? incest?).

Additionally, Paul =/= Jesus. Even though Paul only laid down the basics and a set of 'rules' of Christianity for the people his letters were addressed to.

:doh: sodom .... the act of buggery.
 
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Homosexuality is a broken and perverted sex drive.

The foundation of sex is reproduction. This is where the sex differences, and the sex act, originate. The purpose of sexuality is to provide attraction between men and women so that they can procreate. This is the origin and core of sexuality.

Sexual attraction to other than a post-pubescent opposite sex member of the same species is the foundation of sodomy, a deviant form of sexuality, and includes paedophilia, inappropriate behavior with animals, homosexuality, and sexual acts with machines or inanimate objects (all of which the sodomite seeks to mimic the authentic sex-act with).

You cannot base a marriage on a deviant sexuality which by its nature denies the foundation and origin of sexuality itself.
 
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tanzel said:
Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Let continue with Paul.

effeminate =/= homosexual

+ Paul, again, is not Jesus.
John 3:16
I don't understand the idea that your shouldn't (even without thinking too much about it) sin yet you've decided to believe in Christ to get saved.

tanzel said:
Lets go into the last book of the BIble...Revelation 21: 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the *abominable*, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Abominable is too general of a word to twist into meaning 'homosexual'

Homosexuality is a broken and perverted sex drive.

The foundation of sex is reproduction. This is where the sex differences, and the sex act, originate. The purpose of sexuality is to provide attraction between men and women so that they can procreate. This is the origin and core of sexuality.

Sexual attraction to other than a post-pubescent opposite sex member of the same species is the foundation of sodomy, a deviant form of sexuality, and includes paedophilia, inappropriate behavior with animals, homosexuality, and sexual acts with machines or inanimate objects (all of which the sodomite seeks to mimic the authentic sex-act with).

You cannot base a marriage on a deviant sexuality which by its nature denies the foundation and origin of sexuality itself.

Well what about romantic attraction to the same sex? There are alot of people I know who are asexual but are romantically attracted to their spouses, same sex or not.


michaelmynameIs said:
sodom .... the act of buggery.

Can you elaborate?
 
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+ Paul, again, is not Jesus.
John 3:16
I don't understand the idea that your shouldn't (even without thinking too much about it) sin yet you've decided to believe in Christ to get saved.
a person is proven to be saved by faith in Christ Jesus ..when they no longer walk in the flesh but after the Spirit .

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever."- this applies to all and any sin.


Abominable is too general of a word to twist into meaning 'homosexual'
innocence needs no justification- when a person acts and intent of heart are innocent of wrong doing - they do not even consider making a case to defend their actions . those who lust in flesh for one another and do not desire to stop doing so constantly attempt to make self justification and in so doing declare thier own guilt - this applies to all sin .


Well what about romantic attraction to the same sex? There are alot of people I know who are asexual but are romantically attracted to their spouses, same sex or not.
we are not called to walk after the flesh nor follow after its(evil)desire, but to live in obedience to the Holy Spirit having had the flesh put to death on the cross so that we are freed to make that choice
Just because i may have a natural {or unnatural} inclination to finish an entire tub of ice-cream ..doing so based on that inclination does not excuse me from being glutinous .thus what ever the holy Spirit tells me to do - my love for God is proven by my obedience to him . this is what it means to live IN the spirit and not follow the flesh .

Can you elaborate?
no need .. it would only be "base ' to do so .
 
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Leap said:
Homosexuality is a broken and perverted sex drive.

The foundation of sex is reproduction. This is where the sex differences, and the sex act, originate. The purpose of sexuality is to provide attraction between men and women so that they can procreate. This is the origin and core of sexuality.

Sexual attraction to other than a post-pubescent opposite sex member of the same species is the foundation of sodomy, a deviant form of sexuality, and includes paedophilia, inappropriate behavior with animals, homosexuality, and sexual acts with machines or inanimate objects (all of which the sodomite seeks to mimic the authentic sex-act with).

You cannot base a marriage on a deviant sexuality which by its nature denies the foundation and origin of sexuality itself.

I don't think LGBT's want to base their marriages on sex. They want to base their marriages on love.
 
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Leap said:
You don't need to marry someone to love them - I love my parents, but I don't want to marry them. Marriage is about sexual love, and you cannot base it on a deviant sexuality.

I realize that you can love someone with out marrying them, but they want to base their marriage on love. I know happily married people that never have sex, do you believe this should be a mandatory divorce since it isn't based on sex?
 
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effeminate =/= homosexual

+ Paul, again, is not Jesus.
John 3:16
I don't understand the idea that your shouldn't (even without thinking too much about it) sin yet you've decided to believe in Christ to get saved.



Abominable is too general of a word to twist into meaning 'homosexual'



Well what about romantic attraction to the same sex? There are alot of people I know who are asexual but are romantically attracted to their spouses, same sex or not.




Can you elaborate?





effeminate =/= homosexual

+ Paul, again, is not Jesus.
John 3:16
I don't understand the idea that your shouldn't (even without thinking too much about it) sin yet you've decided to believe in Christ to get saved.



Abominable is too general of a word to twist into meaning 'homosexual'


In the scriptures it written in Proverbs 9: 8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. 9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. 10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

I see that you went against these scriptures, by trying to make a different between Paul and Jesus, after reading Paul writing. The scriptures also say in Proverbs 12: 15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
 
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tanzel said:
I see that you went against these scriptures, by trying to make a different between Paul and Jesus, after reading Paul writing. The scriptures also say in Proverbs 12: 15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
(explain to me further if i'm misunderstanding) What I gather from what you said is discerning Paul's teachings from Jesus teachings in a way is being nonfearful of God, but Paul's letters and opinions were and are no different than the opinions of everybody else on this forum, just they date back millennia and have slowly gained canon status by high figures and councils. The Gospels are the most relevant to Christianity that must not be played with in any way (at least in my perception).

Also this is a discussion, and I just happen to have the radical opinion of the bunch. Proverbs is wisdom, not authoritative law.

michaelmynameIs said:
we are not called to walk after the flesh nor follow after its(evil)desire, but to live in obedience to the Holy Spirit having had the flesh put to death on the cross so that we are freed to make that choice
Just because i may have a natural {or unnatural} inclination to finish an entire tub of ice-cream ..doing so based on that inclination does not excuse me from being glutinous .thus what ever the holy Spirit tells me to do - my love for God is proven by my obedience to him . this is what it means to live IN the spirit and not follow the flesh .

Do you think a homosexual can only lust but not be able to truly spiritually love someone of the same sex?



As for something else I'd like to point out, homosexuality is not referenced at all in any of the four Gospels.
 
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(explain to me further if i'm misunderstanding) What I gather from what you said is discerning Paul's teachings from Jesus teachings in a way is being nonfearful of God, but Paul's letters and opinions were and are no different than the opinions of everybody else on this forum, just they date back millennia and have slowly gained canon status by high figures and councils. The Gospels are the most relevant to Christianity that must not be played with in any way (at least in my perception).

Also this is a discussion, and I just happen to have the radical opinion of the bunch. Proverbs is wisdom, not authoritative law.



Do you think a homosexual can only lust but not be able to truly spiritually love someone of the same sex?



As for something else I'd like to point out, homosexuality is not referenced at all in any of the four Gospels.





(explain to me further if i'm misunderstanding) What I gather from what you said is discerning Paul's teachings from Jesus teachings in a way is being nonfearful of God, but Paul's letters and opinions were and are no different than the opinions of everybody else on this forum, just they date back millennia and have slowly gained canon status by high figures and councils. The Gospels are the most relevant to Christianity that must not be played with in any way (at least in my perception).

Also this is a discussion, and I just happen to have the radical opinion of the bunch. Proverbs is wisdom, not authoritative law.


I agree that Jesus is; of course greater then all the prophets and the apostles. But the word of God came from Jesus to the prophets and apostles in the first place. Only times we saw a difference is when Jesus came in the flesh and lets us know that the Father have sent him. In (St. John 5:37) he said, "And the father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me, ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape." Well, if no man has heard or seen the father at any time, who did Moses and the elders of Israel see in (Exodus 24:9-11), where the bible says twice that they saw God? They saw Jesus, the God of the Old Testament, the God of Israel.

Paul clarifies this, lets take a look… Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. (1Corinthians 10:1-4) Jesus was the "Rock" that led the Israelites through the Red Sea.

So Jesus was the God in the Old testament who gave Moses the laws, even in Leviticus the 20th chapter the 13th verse. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)

In (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.
Being that we are under the new covenant, which are the same laws that were given to Moses, no man is clean enough to put anyone to death, the Lord will take care of that Judgment. Paul said in Hebrews 10: (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals, nor Jesus is going to die for you.

(v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation). It will behoove you to take heed to Paul as well as Jesus words to...remember Paul said in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

 
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Let’s take a look at some of Paul’s writings. Most people that call themselves Christians use the books of Paul to do away with the Lords commandments. These individuals have not gained their so-called knowledge through studying the Bible, they are on the “my pastor said factor” without trying to find out for themselves what “thus sayeth the Lord.”
We will see in this next set of verses Paul mentions men of God that knew the scriptures, but failed to revere the ONLY REVEREND meaning REV. JESUS, the Lord gave them up because of unbelief and allowed them to commit vile acts such as lying with the same sex. Let’s take a look:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Romans 1:18-21)
Note what the verse says, “Who hold the truth in unrighteousness.” Here we see these men knew the truth but “they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart were darkened.” They professed themselves to be wise but became fools. Let’s skip down to the 24th verse.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (Romans 1:24-28)

Note what’s being said, “God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. Even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature, men with men working that which is unseemly…” God placed men and women on this earth to be fruitful and to multiply. This isn’t a genetic thing, which suits the taste of the general public. These individuals that call themselves homosexuals simply have unbridled sexual desire that came out of their own imaginations, they were not born that way.
 
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Homosexuality is an abomination to God. I struggle with gay desires and I don't need the Bible to tell me that God hates homosexuality. It is written on my heart. God created sex for two married people who are man and woman. I know that this is so basic. You are probably thinking "DUH." My point is that anyone that has a real relationship with God through Jesus Christ our Lord would know this. Sex is suppose be pure and holy, not dirty and perverted. I am not at all perfect, for I do struggle with lust. But I know that through the power of Jesus Christ, I will be set free. I sometimes feel depressed and hopeless because my desires are so strong and when I try to not entertain perverted thoughts they increase. I have gay desires but I hate homosexuality. Sometimes I wish Christians can understand how depressing it is. It is so easy to criticize when you don't struggle with it. I know it is sin. But I was not born with these desires. Yes, everyone has things they are struggling with. But their struggles usually does not cause the world to hate them.
 
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Homosexuality is an abomination to God. I struggle with gay desires and I don't need the Bible to tell me that God hates homosexuality. It is written on my heart. God created sex for two married people who are man and woman. I know that this is so basic. You are probably thinking "DUH." My point is that anyone that has a real relationship with God through Jesus Christ our Lord would know this. Sex is suppose be pure and holy, not dirty and perverted. I am not at all perfect, for I do struggle with lust. But I know that through the power of Jesus Christ, I will be set free. I sometimes feel depressed and hopeless because my desires are so strong and when I try to not entertain perverted thoughts they increase. I have gay desires but I hate homosexuality. Sometimes I wish Christians can understand how depressing it is. It is so easy to criticize when you don't struggle with it. I know it is sin. But I was not born with these desires. Yes, everyone has things they are struggling with. But their struggles usually does not cause the world to hate them.

I hear you man. Christians need to understand that we are never supposed to fight PEOPLE. People are not the enemy. In fact, people are all fighting the same enemies . . . sin and demons!

Take a look:

Ephesians 6:12

"12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places."

It's right there. We aren't fighting against flesh-and-blood (people), we are fighting against demons that bring sin and ruin into our lives.

So, we shouldn't be fighting homosexuals, we should love them with the realization that they are fighting the same enemies that we are fighting every day.

We should love and embrace them as good stewards of Jesus Christ. Otherwise, we push them away from the Grace they need to help them combat this shared adversary.

Can you imagine if EVERYBODY got this!
Can you imagine if the CHURCH got this!

How awesome would that be!?:D
 
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