Luke 9:23 "take up cross daily" is probably wrong....

humanbn · Apr 25, 2013

I want some feedback on this. In Luke 9:23 it says:

And He was saying to them all, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

But Mark 8:34 says: Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

Notice "daily" is missing.

Matthew 16:24 says the same:

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

"Daily" is missing.

My question is this: Why is the word daily in Luke, and should it be? Now before you answer, I want to know a scholarly answer based on early manuscripts. I've read some manuscripts of Luke don't have the word daily.

Mark was written before Luke, that's agreed upon.

The reason I ask this is that it makes no sense for Jesus to tell us to take up a cross daily, because we have been crucified once with Christ. I know everyone will say there is a daily denying the old man. That's a given. But I don't think that can be established by Luke 9:23. Daily should not be in there, as it was not in other earlier gospels, nor in early manuscripts.

Anyone got an opinion solely based on ancient manuscripts? I don't have any to look at to see if the word daily is in there.

he-man · Apr 27, 2013

humanbn said:
I want some feedback on this. In Luke 9:23 it says:

And He was saying to them all, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

But Mark 8:34 says: Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

Notice "daily" is missing.

Matthew 16:24 says the same:

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

"Daily" is missing.

My question is this: Why is the word daily in Luke, and should it be? Now before you answer, I want to know a scholarly answer based on early manuscripts. I've read some manuscripts of Luke don't have the word daily.

Mark was written before Luke, that's agreed upon.

The reason I ask this is that it makes no sense for Jesus to tell us to take up a cross daily, because we have been crucified once with Christ. I know everyone will say there is a daily denying the old man. That's a given. But I don't think that can be established by Luke 9:23. Daily should not be in there, as it was not in other earlier gospels, nor in early manuscripts.

Anyone got an opinion solely based on ancient manuscripts? I don't have any to look at to see if the word daily is in there.

It is my opinion from the Codex Sinaiticus that the word daily was intentional but cross would be better translated as a burden.

deetwang · May 1, 2013

Taking up your cross and following Christ is a daily thing. He is "the way", and a "way" is a method or practice that you do every single day. You consciously and deliberately choose to serve Jesus that day, instead of your own "way".

Ephesians 4:22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

Jesus, being 100 percent God, could have decided to lay down all His glory, become a man and later on go back to heaven . . . alone. But He saw that through death, He would bring many sons to glory. Out of His free choice, He willingly embraced the cross (see John 10:18; Hebrews 2:9–10, 12:2).

So it is with us. Paul wrote, “I die daily” (1 Corinthians 15:31) and “I am crucified with Christ” (Galatians 2:20, kjv). The death he talks about is a continuous present tense. It’s a choice I must make every day of my life to die to my own desires, rights, wishes and decisions for the sake of bringing fruit for the kingdom of God. There is no shortcut and no other way.

In the measure in which you and I are willing to die daily through the grace of God and the cross, in that same measure will life be produced in others. Paul put it this way:

“So then death is working in us, but life in you” (2 Corinthians 4:12)

PJM · May 29, 2013

=humanbn;62923452]I want some feedback on this. In Luke 9:23 it says:

And He was saying to them all, If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

But Mark 8:34 says: Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

Notice "daily" is missing.

Matthew 16:24 says the same:

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

"Daily" is missing.

My question is this: Why is the word daily in Luke, and should it be? Now before you answer, I want to know a scholarly answer based on early manuscripts. I've read some manuscripts of Luke don't have the word daily.

Mark was written before Luke, that's agreed upon.

The reason I ask this is that it makes no sense for Jesus to tell us to take up a cross daily, because we have been crucified once with Christ. I know everyone will say there is a daily denying the old man. That's a given. But I don't think that can be established by Luke 9:23. Daily should not be in there, as it was not in other earlier gospels, nor in early manuscripts.

Anyone got an opinion solely based on ancient manuscripts? I don't have any to look at to see if the word daily is in there.

My dear friend in Christ,

Both authors are saying the same thing; only in their OWN words.

SUFFERING
Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
Phil.2: 8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

1Pet.4: 13 But rejoice in so far as you share Christ'ssufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.

1Pet.5: 1, 9 So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ as well as a partaker in the glory that is to be revealed. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world.

Phil.1: 29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but alsosuffer for his sake,

2Thes.1: 5 This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you aresuffering

Heb. 2: 10 For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.

2Tim.4: 5 As for you, always be steady, enduresuffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

What I THINK you may be missing [IMO] is exactly what "THEE CROSS" is; what it represents and actually means.

1st. we need to understand that God IS In Charge, even when we do not wish Him to be. Everything; EVERY LITTLE insignifiant thing to the Life chaving events in our lives Has God's influence on it, EVERYTHING!

This happens for one of two reasons:

1. For God's POSSIBLE Glorfication
2. OUR own Possible sanctification

All Good is from God and God is Glorified through it

God cannot CAUSE eivil [that which HE determines to be such]; BUT God can and does permit it. WHY?

Because the consequences ARE a "cross"; IF we accept it God is Glorified.

IF we deny it; complain about it, don't learn from it God IS still Glorified BECAUSE He did permit an opportunity for Good to come out of it. Therefore God is Still Glorified but we receive no sanctification; no grace from the experience.

Isaiah 43: 7 & 21
And every one that calleth upon my name, I have created him for my glory, I have formed him, and made him & This people have I formed for myself, they shall shew forth my praise

"The cross" stands for all of the struggles, chalanges, task, and opportunities to CHOOSE good over evil, that happen daily; regularly, constantly in our lives:

Christ and each author had this in mind when making the analogy.

Ecclesiasticus 15:18
Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him

John 6:35
And Jesus said to them: I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger: and he that believeth in me shall never thirst.

God Bless you,
patick68

REPHAIAHPEDAHEL · Jun 8, 2013

Romans 6:8 KJV
Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

What's all this taking up your cross about? You have been crucified with Christ, He lives in you and you live by Jesus' faith now. Jesus said all that taking up your cross stuff before He was crucified and raised from the dead!

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