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Aah, thank you, i thinks we both are in agreement on this.

I'm still waiting for you to post any evidence showing that allowing womens to go topless in public equals sexual abuse. You made the claim. Prove it.
 
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I don't think she did. I think she said that laws that make it a crime for women to go topless while not making it a crime for men to do so are oppressive to women, and that Christians should oppose things that are oppressive to women.
 
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I don't think she did. I think she said that laws that make it a crime for women to go topless while not making it a crime for men to do so are oppressive to women, and that Christians should oppose things that are oppressive to women.

I'm anti-feminist but I SOOOOOO agree on this, it is so not fair the double standard. And then if somebody sees a girl wearing a bikini they are called names. Well HELLO... that guy over there doesn't even have his shirt on!!! At least were wearing SOMETHING.

And guys can also wear speedos and its "athletic." But if we wear a thong or g-string its *****.

At least at the bikini contests we do there are nobody who thinks like this (for the most part i guess lol).
 
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I don't think she did. I think she said that laws that make it a crime for women to go topless while not making it a crime for men to do so are oppressive to women, and that Christians should oppose things that are oppressive to women.
Naked I came into the world, and naked I will remain in the world and naked I will leave the world....imagine not having to wash clothes again :thumbsup:



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I am responsible for my actions and as much as it depends on me, I'll make sure that my actions isn't causing anyone to stumble. If I go around topless and someone who is struggling with lust see me topless and he sins, then I caused him to sin, which could have been avoided if I had my clothes on. So, I'm going to make sure, that what I wear (not wearing) as much as it depend on me, to not cause another to stumble.

And just because we think that it's common place somewhere, it DOES NOT MEAN that guys aren't looking and sinning because of it. They are probably good at hiding it. I don't know what's in a man's heart and I'm not going to pretend to think that simply because something is common place, it means that it's okay or that they are not sinning.

I second this as lusting over someone is sin (Mat 5:28) and disciples of Christ are obligated to concider the spiritual well-being of others (Rom 14:14-25).
 
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I second this as lusting over someone is sin (Mat 5:28) and disciples of Christ are obligated to concider the spiritual well-being of others (Rom 14:14-25).

The lust issue has been dealt with previously on this thread quite thoroughly. I suggest you read through the thread.

The stumbling block issue is grossly overworked at times. Paul addressed some really serious, deep seated beliefs stemming from very different religious and cultural differences within the Christian community - food offered to idols, kosher food and holy days. At no point did Paul ever advocate setting the standards of Christian life and practice at the level of the weakest believer. That would consign the church to ineffectiveness and loss of testimony. Paul clearly indicates he was not bound by the concerns of the immature. What he did set out was twofold - the strong and probably the most influential must not override people with different views, and secondly, that respect for unity and the other whilst still spiritually immature should characterize Christians when they were together.

As far as any degree of social nudity is concerned Paul's advice should hold - those who would not cope with it should not have that forced onto them, or seen as somewhat inferior, whereas those who can should not be prevented from engaging in appropriate social nudity where that is not an imposition on another - in their own home, a free beach or nudist resort would be fine, but not on a Sunday morning family service for example.

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Originally Posted by bookit
I second this as lusting over someone is sin (Mat 5:28) and disciples of Christ are obligated to concider the spiritual well-being of others (Rom 14:14-25).

The lust issue has been dealt with previously on this thread quite thoroughly. I suggest you read through the thread.

The stumbling block issue is grossly overworked at times. Paul addressed some really serious, deep seated beliefs stemming from very different religious and cultural differences within the Christian community - food offered to idols, kosher food and holy days. At no point did Paul ever advocate setting the standards of Christian life and practice at the level of the weakest believer. That would consign the church to ineffectiveness and loss of testimony. Paul clearly indicates he was not bound by the concerns of the immature. What he did set out was twofold - the strong and probably the most influential must not override people with different views, and secondly, that respect for unity and the other whilst still spiritually immature should characterize Christians when they were together.

As far as any degree of social nudity is concerned Paul's advice should hold - those who would not cope with it should not have that forced onto them, or seen as somewhat inferior, whereas those who can should not be prevented from engaging in appropriate social nudity where that is not an imposition on another - in their own home, a free beach or nudist resort would be fine, but not on a Sunday morning family service for example.

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no it hasn't. bookit brought up an excellent reminder of what a Christian brother or sister is to strive towards. Stripping is a blatant sin, we all know that. To continue describing how one likes to strip as has been posted on this thread stating that it glorifies, God is twisted and sick. It is a sin.
 
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Originally Posted by daydreamergurl15
I am responsible for my actions and as much as it depends on me, I'll make sure that my actions isn't causing anyone to stumble. If I go around topless and someone who is struggling with lust see me topless and he sins, then I caused him to sin, which could have been avoided if I had my clothes on. So, I'm going to make sure, that what I wear (not wearing) as much as it depend on me, to not cause another to stumble.

And just because we think that it's common place somewhere, it DOES NOT MEAN that guys aren't looking and sinning because of it. They are probably good at hiding it. I don't know what's in a man's heart and I'm not going to pretend to think that simply because something is common place, it means that it's okay or that they are not sinning.

I second this as lusting over someone is sin (Mat 5:28) and disciples of Christ are obligated to concider the spiritual well-being of others (Rom 14:14-25).

i agree. Amen.
 
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I don't think she did. I think she said that laws that make it a crime for women to go topless while not making it a crime for men to do so are oppressive to women, and that Christians should oppose things that are oppressive to women.

exactly.
 
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I do not agree with the idea of topless women walking down the street because such actions cause lust (sin) and destroy those who are week in their faith (as cited in my previous post). The irony is that the same society that seeks gender equality also ruins it through gross sensuality and over sexualizing almost anything sold for profit.

I do agree that the law banning topless women should also be applied to men as well. Even as a man I do not feel comfortable being topless in front of anyone other than my wife.
 
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I do not agree with the idea of topless women walking down the street because such actions cause lust (sin) and destroy those who are week in their faith (as cited in my previous post). The irony is that the same society that seeks gender equality also ruins it through gross sensuality and over sexualizing almost anything sold for profit.

I do agree that the law banning topless women should also be applied to men as well. Even as a man I do not feel comfortable being topless in front of anyone other than my wife.

That's consistent. But as a personal value, not as some biblically mandated requirement.

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no it hasn't. bookit brought up an excellent reminder of what a Christian brother or sister is to strive towards. Stripping is a blatant sin, we all know that. To continue describing how one likes to strip as has been posted on this thread stating that it glorifies, God is twisted and sick. It is a sin.

There is a big difference between stripping and mere nudity in an appropriate environment. Let's not confuse the two. I strongly oppose anything that sexualises women and turns them into sexual objects. One can be clothed yet immodest, or naked and modest. It's not the extent of body covering that is determinative of sound morality.

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There is a big difference between stripping and mere nudity in an appropriate environment. Let's not confuse the two. I strongly oppose anything that sexualises women and turns them into sexual objects. One can be clothed yet immodest, or naked and modest. It' snot the extent of body covering that is determinative of sound morality.

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You got that right, however you and i both know this thread has been used for a cauldron of twistedness and sickness, stating that stripping is pleasing to God, etc. Stripping is a sin. To state that it glorifies God is a perversion.
 
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'Twisting' is a bit too harsh. On an open forum there will be various views presented. My responsibility is to submit my views as carefully and in a manner that reflects something of Christ. But let's continue to state our opposition to what does do damage to God's image bearers.

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'Twisting' is a bit too harsh. On an open forum there will be various views presented. My responsibility is to submit my views as carefully and in a manner that reflects something of Christ. But let's continue to state our opposition to what does do damage to God's image bearers.

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You and i both know what God's Word says. THis is a Christian sub-section of CF. Please, proceed with what glorifies God and what doesn't.
 
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You got that right, however you and i both know this thread has been used for a cauldron of twistedness and sickness, stating that stripping is pleasing to God, etc. Stripping is a sin. To state that it glorifies God is a perversion.

I am not sure about it glorifying god but it glorifies our hedonistic earthly desires. Stripping cannot glorify god because there is nothing we have that he has not scene before. He create the naughty bits so they will be pleasing to some partner (of the opposite sex) and to procreation. To set forth and be fruitful as the Bible says.
This liberal idea that EVERYTHING can please god and everything glorifies him is idiotic if anything. Societal bias cannot determine what pleases god, the Bible determines that and a touch of common logic also helps.
 
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Originally Posted by brinny
You got that right, however you and i both know this thread has been used for a cauldron of twistedness and sickness, stating that stripping is pleasing to God, etc. Stripping is a sin. To state that it glorifies God is a perversion.

I am not sure about it glorifying god but it glorifies our hedonistic earthly desires. Stripping cannot glorify god because there is nothing we have that he has not scene before. He create the naughty bits so they will be pleasing to some partner (of the opposite sex) and to procreation. To set forth and be fruitful as the Bible says.
This liberal idea that EVERYTHING can please god and everything glorifies him is idiotic if anything. Societal bias cannot determine what pleases god, the Bible determines that and a touch of common logic also helps.

Well said my Ninja friend. Amen.
 
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I do agree that the law banning topless women should also be applied to men as well. Even as a man I do not feel comfortable being topless in front of anyone other than my wife.

I don't agree, but I do applaud you for being consistant. In other threads I've seen men post that women should not have the right to go topless while they (men) should
 
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