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18 And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God.
You must realize who's saying this. Jesus is, who is God, and also, other scriptures in the NT make it clear that Jesus was the spotless Lamb of God without blemish, and without spot, and surely Jesus meant good to mean one who is righteous.
 
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Hello Edward,

First off, I agree with Athlon4all, their is no doubt that Jesus is good.

Let's look at the verse again.



Mark 10:

17 And when he was gone forth into the way, a certain man running up and kneeling before him, asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may receive life everlasting?

18 And Jesus said to him, Why callest thou me good? None is good but one, that is God.



A man runs up and calls him "Good Master." The way I always saw this was that "Good Master" was a common phrase of the time.   Jesus' point was that no man is truly good, only God is.

Why would He bother to say this?

What is the first step in salvation?

Realizing you're a sinner.

What did the man ask Him?

...what shall I do that I may recieve life everlasting?

Perhaps Jesus was telling the man more than it initially seems. Atleast that's my interpretation. God Bless. Bill
 
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One other note on this..

Jesus was not denying that HE was Good (It wasn't a question as "Why are you calling me good, I'm not!"). He was asking, Why do you call me good, what reason do you have. He was drawing out what the man's faith/belief in Jesus was, not denying His own goodness :)
 
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GOODNESS is moral excellence, virtue or the state of being good, wholesome. This quality can have real heart appeal. It has tremendous power to move people to do what is good and beneficial for others. According to the Bible, goodness is a fruit of God's spirit. (Gal. 5:22) Rightly, then, God is the ultimate standard of goodness.

An incident in the days of Jesus' earthly ministry emphasizes this important fact. A rich young man addressed him as "Good Teacher," and then asked, "What must I do to inherit everlasting life?" In reply, Jesus Christ directed the young man's attention to God, saying: "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."-Mark 10:17, 18.

As the perfect Son of God, Jesus Christ did possess moral excellence or goodness. However, he did not accept "Good" as part of a title, for he himself was only conforming to the ultimate standard of goodness, that originating with his Father. In refusing to accept "Good" as part of a title, Jesus Christ glorified his Father as the real standard of goodness.-Compare John 7:16-18.

(John 7:16-18) Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. 17 If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it is from God or I speak of my own originality. 18 He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but he that seeks the glory of him that sent him, this one is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Sincerely, Lared
 
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Paulewog said

One other note on this..

Jesus was not denying that HE was Good (It wasn't a question as "Why are you calling me good, I'm not!"). He was asking, Why do you call me good, what reason do you have. He was drawing out what the man's faith/belief in Jesus was, not denying His own goodness


Amen Paulewog.  I believe He was addressing the goodness, or lack thereof, in man, not Himself.  The first step for any man to reach salvation and eternal life is to realize that he is not good, he is a sinner.  It is only when the Lord convicts you of your sin, that you can truly repent and realize that you need the Lord for salvation.  God Bless.   Bill
 
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Originally posted by lared
GOODNESS is moral excellence, virtue or the state of being good, wholesome. This quality can have real heart appeal. It has tremendous power to move people to do what is good and beneficial for others. According to the Bible, goodness is a fruit of God's spirit. (Gal. 5:22) Rightly, then, God is the ultimate standard of goodness.

An incident in the days of Jesus' earthly ministry emphasizes this important fact. A rich young man addressed him as "Good Teacher," and then asked, "What must I do to inherit everlasting life?" In reply, Jesus Christ directed the young man's attention to God, saying: "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."-Mark 10:17, 18.

As the perfect Son of God, Jesus Christ did possess moral excellence or goodness. However, he did not accept "Good" as part of a title, for he himself was only conforming to the ultimate standard of goodness, that originating with his Father. In refusing to accept "Good" as part of a title, Jesus Christ glorified his Father as the real standard of goodness.-Compare John 7:16-18.

(John 7:16-18) Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: "What I to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. 17 If anyone desires is from God or I speak of my own originality. 18 He that speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but he that seeks the glory of him that sent him, this one is true, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Sincerely, Lared

Lared,

Read Revelation. You will see that the Lamb is sitting in the Throne of God. How can anyone sit in the Throne of God but God himself?

1 And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street thereof, and on both sides of the river, was the tree of life, bearing twelve fruits, yielding its fruits every month, and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no curse any more; but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and his servants shall serve him.

4 And they shall see his face: and his name shall be on their foreheads.

5 And night shall be no more: and they shall not need the light of the lamp, nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God shall enlighten them, and they shall reign for ever and ever.

6 And he said to me: These words are most faithful and true. And the Lord God of the spirits of the prophets sent his angel to shew his servants the things which must be done shortly.

7 And, Behold I come quickly. Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book.

8 And I, John, who have heard and seen these things. And after I had heard and seen, I fell down to adore before the feet of the angel, who shewed me these things.

9 And he said to me: See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them that keep the words of the prophecy of this book. Adore God.

10 And he saith to me: Seal not the words of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that hurteth, let him hurt still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is just, let him be justified still: and he that is holy, let him be sanctified still.

12 Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to his works.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

14 Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

15 Without are dogs, and sorcerers, and unchaste, and murderers, and servers of idols, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star.

17 And the spirit and the bride say: Come. And he that heareth, let him say: Come. And he that thirsteth, let him come: and he that will, let him take the water of life, freely.

18 For I testify to every one that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from these things that are written in this book.

20 He that giveth testimony of these things, saith, Surely I come quickly: Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

and AMEN, Jared, the grace of God be with you.
 
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Edward,
Please reread your scriptures and point out to me exactly your interpretation that Jesus is sitting in the throne of God.

Jehovah God has installed Jesus as king of God's kingdom. This kingdom will crush and destroy all man-made governments. (Thus a good reason to be no part of this world and not to get involved in any man-made political agenda).

Jesus may sit on 'a' throne. But he certainly is NOT his heavenly Father. Why in fact, when he returned to heaven after giving his life for us....he sat down at the right hand of his Father.....not on his lap.....nor did he melt into Jehovah God.

Sincerely, Lared
 
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Lared,

I did just what you asked. Look at Revelation carefully. Read it as John intended for you to read it. No one but God himself has crucified himself for you. Not a human, not an angel, not any supernatural being but God himself. He has made the utmost sacrifce for you. No other being, whether human or heavenly would suffice. Why would you accept any other sacrifice but his own? Your Lamb is your God. Your Jehovah is your Christ.

Edward
 
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Sorry Edward,
I am sorry that you do not know Jehovah God.

Jesus encourages us to get to know him at John 17:3 where it tells us:

"And this is life eternal: that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Jesus prays that we might know both......that is two persons......NOT one person....nor a mysterious trinity.

You really need to be introduced to the God that Abraham, Moses, Noah, David, Jesus, Mary, Joseph, John the Baptist, and all early Christians worshiped-------the one true Almighty God, Jehovah.

Jehovah is not my Christ (anointed one). My God, Jehovah, was in heaven when Jesus was baptized and he was the one that anointed Jesus(my ransome sacrifice) with Holy Spirit.

Sincerely, Lared
 
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Lared,

Let me ask you something. Is your right hand a part of you or is it of a different body than yours? Read this:

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE RIGHT HAND

This principle is especially true when the Bible speaks of the right hand of God. Since most humans are right-handed, in most cultures the right hand signifies strength, skill, and dexterity. The very word dexterity comes from the Latin word dexter, meaning "on the right side." In ancient times, the most honored guest was seated on the right hand of the host. As a result, in Hebrew, Greek, and English the right hand is a metaphor for power and honor.

The Bible uses this metaphor repeatedly with reference to humans as well as God. Of course, in some passages the Bible uses "right" or "right hand" in its locational meaning, in contrast to "left" or "left hand. " But many times the use of "right hand" is figurative. Since God does not have a physical right hand (apart from the Incarnation) and is not confined to a physical location, when the Bible speaks of His right hand, it speaks figuratively or metaphorically.

A study of the "right hand" passages in the Bible reveals that the right hand of God represents His almighty power, His omnipotence, particularly in bestowing salvation, deliverance, victory, and preservation. "My right hand hath spanned the heavens" (Isaiah 48:13). `Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.... Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them" (Exodus 15:6,12). "His right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory* (Psalm 98:1). "Thy right hand shall save me" (Psalm 138:7). "I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness" (Isaiah 41:10). There are numerous other examples where the Bible uses "right hand" as a metaphor for power. [1]

In Scripture, the right hand also signifies the position of honor, blessing, and preeminence. "At thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore" (Psalm 16:11). "Thy right hand is full of righteousness" (Psalm 48:10). "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left" (Ecclesiastes 10:2).

When Jacob blessed Joseph's two sons, Joseph wanted him to put his right hand upon Manasseh, the older son, to signify that he would have preeminence. Joseph insisted, "This is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head" (Genesis 48:18). Jacob refused, in a reversal of normal procedure, saying, "Truly his younger brother shall be greater than he" (Genesis 48:19). (For other examples where the right hand means a position of favor or preeminence, see Exodus 29:20; Leviticus 8:23; 14:14-28; Psalm 45:9; 110:1; Jeremiah 22:24; Matthew 25:33-34.)

JESUS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD

So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God (Mark 16:19).

Many passages in the New Testament tell us that Jesus sits on the right hand of God. As we have already seen, it would be a mistake to interpret this description to mean that Jesus sits eternally on top of a giant divine hand or at the side of another divine personage. How could we determine what is the right hand of the omnipresent Spirit of God?

The obvious purpose of this description is to exalt the Lord Jesus Christ. By using this phrase, the New Testament tells us that Jesus is not merely a man, but He is a man who has been invested with the almighty power of the indwelling Spirit of God and who has been exalted to the position of highest honor.

Since verses like Mark 16:19 speak of Jesus as being "on the right hand of God," some people suppose that in heaven they will see two divine persons, the Father and the Son, sitting or standing side by side. But no one has ever seen or can see God's invisible presence (I Timothy 6:16); no one can see God apart from Christ. Moreover, God has emphatically declared that there is no one beside Him (Isaiah 43:11 ; 44:6,8). Christ is the visible "image of the invisible God," and the only way we can see the Father is to see him (Colossians 1:15; John 14:9). There is only one divine throne in heaven, and only One on that throne (Revelation 4:2; 22:3-4).

New Testament passages make clear that Jesus is "on the right hand of God" in the sense of having divine power, honor, glory, and preeminence. Jesus Himself said, "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven" (Matthew 16:64). "Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God" (Luke 22:69). These words do not imply that we will see two divine persons in the clouds or in heaven, but one divine human person who has all he power and glory of the invisible Spirit of God.

Jesus was "by the right hand of God exalted" (Acts 2:33). He "is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him" (I Peter 1:22). God "raised him [Christ] from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is lamed, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come" Ephesians 1:20-21). "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God" (Colossians 3:1).

When Stephen was stoned, he "saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God" (Acts 7:55). He did not see two personages, but he saw the glory of God surrounding Jesus, who was revealed in the position of supreme power and authority. While on earth Jesus appeared to be an ordinary man and He lived as such with His disciples, but after His resurrection and ascension He appeared with visible glory and power as the almighty God. Although John had been Christ's closest associate while He was on earth and knew Him well, when He saw the ascended Christ in a vision he "fell at his feet as dead" (Revelation 1:17). Unlike Christ's typical appearance on earth, John saw Him in His divine glory.

That is what Stephen beheld also. The only divine person he saw was Jesus, and the only divine person he addressed was Jesus. He said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God" (Arts 7:56). He died "calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" (Acts 7:59).

F. F. Bruce, one of the foremost evangelical theologians of the twentieth century, explained that biblical scholars past and present recognize Christ's right-hand position to be metaphoric, not physical:

Christ's present position of supremacy is described in the Pauline writings as being "at the right hand of God."... The apostles knew very well that they were using figurative language when they spoke of Christ's exaltation in these terms: they no more thought of a location on a literal throne at God's literal right hand than their twentieth-century successors do.... Martin Luther satirizes "that heaven of the fanatics ... with its golden chair and Christ seated at the Father's side, vested in a choir cope and a golden robe, as the painters love to portray him!" [2]

Several passages carry a further connotation relative to the Christ's right-hand position: they use this term to describe His present mediatorial role. "It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us" (Romans 8:34).

This does not mean that Christ has been kneeling for two thousand years, praying to some other deity. As a man, He has been glorified and has no further need to pray. As God, He never needed to pray and never had anyone to whom He could pray. Moreover, there is nothing He needs to add to the Atonement; His one sacrifice on the cross is sufficient to cover the sins of the whole world. When He said, "It is finished" and then died, His atoning work was complete (John 19:30). He "offered one sacrifice for sins for ever" [Hebrews 10:12).

What Christ's present intercession means is that His sacrifice is continually effective in our lives. His blood can cover our sins today. If we sin, we still have "an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous" (I John 2:1). When we confess our sins to God, no one needs to convince Him to forgive us; He looks at the Cross, and that event is all the advocacy we need.

To remind us that Christ was a "real man who died for our sins and so became our advocate, mediator, and high priest, the New Testament speaks of Him as at the right hand of God." At the same time, it shows us the completeless and finality of His work on the cross by saying that after His mediatorial work, He "sat down" on the right hand. "When he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" (Hebrews 1:3).

"We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens" (Hebrews 8:1). "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Jesus "is set down at the right hand of the throne of God" (Hebrews 12:2).

Significantly, the Book of Revelation never describes Jesus as being on the right hand of God. It looks forward to the time when His mediatorial role will no longer be necessary. In eternity to come, we will not see Him in the right hand position as an exalted man who serves as our mediator, but we will see Him as the One on the throne, the One who is both God and the Lamb at the same time (Revelation 22:3-4).
 
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Sorry Edward,

True, my hand is part of my body.

But Jehovah God was in heaven while Jesus was here on earth.
When Jesus was baptized...a voice from heaven(Jehovah) said of Jesus...."This is my son......whom I have approved"

I have never been in heaven while my hand was here on earth.

Jehovah is my Almighty God. He cannot die as Jesus( your God did).
Thus my God is more powerful then your god.

I do not belittle Jesus, but appreciate the role he plays in the outworking of Jehovah God's eternal purpose for us and the earth.

Jesus is my mediator to Jehovah God. He is my ransom sacrifice. He is my examplar. He is my saviour. He is my king of God's kingdom.

But I do not worship him and never will. I will honor and respect him. I will do what he says. And he tells me to pray to "Our Father".....not to Jesus or a mysterious trinity. So I will do that.

You may disregard his instructions and follow the crowd.....the traditions....the so-called Bible scholars....the clergy.

But as for me and my family.......I will echo the words of Joshua at Joshua 24:15 which says:

(Joshua 24:15) Now if it is bad in YOUR eyes to serve Jehovah, choose for yourselves today whom YOU will serve, whether the gods that YOUR forefathers who were on the other side of the River served or the gods of the Am'or·ites in whose land YOU are dwelling. But as for me and my household, we shall serve Jehovah."

Sincerely, Lared
 
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Originally posted by lared


Jesus is my mediator to Jehovah God. He is my ransom sacrifice. He is my examplar. He is my saviour. He is my king of God's kingdom.


Lared,

Have you read Isaiah 43?

10 You are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that you may know, and believe me, and understand that I myself am. Before me there was no God formed, and after me there shall be none.

11 I am, I am the Lord: and there is no saviour besides me.

12 I have declared, and have saved. I have made it heard, and there was no strange one among you. You are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and I am God.

13 And from the beginning I am the same, and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall turn it away?

14 Thus saith the Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: For your sake I sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their bars, and the Chaldeans glorying in their ships.

15 I am the Lord your Holy One, the Creator of Israel, your King.

 If Jesus is your Saviour and you don't believe he is God, then your saviour is false. If Jesus is your King, and you don't believe he is God, then you have a false kingdom.

Edward
 
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Edward,

Repeatedly the Scriptures refer to God as Savior. At Isaiah 43:11 God even says: "Besides me there is no savior." Since Jesus is also referred to as Savior, are God and Jesus the same? Not at all. Titus 1:3, 4 speaks of "God our Savior," and then of both "God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior." So, both persons are saviors. Jude 25 shows the relationship, saying: "God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Italics added.) (See also Acts 13:23.) At Judges 3:9, the same Hebrew word (moh·shi'a', rendered "savior" or "deliverer") that is used at Isaiah 43:11 is applied to Othniel, a judge in Israel, but that certainly did not make Othniel Jehovah, did it? A reading of Isaiah 43:1-12 shows that Isa 43 verse 11 means that Jehovah alone was the One who provided salvation, or deliverance, for Israel; that salvation did not come from any of the gods of the surrounding nations.
Sincerely, Lared
 
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Edward,
After I logged off, I thought of an illustration that might help, after you read Isaiah 43:1-12.

The only real doctor in a city (the other so-called doctors are nothing but quacks (pretenders) prescibes life-saving medicine for you.

You may say that the medicine saved your life. And indeed it did. But who prescribed the medicine? Was it not the doctor? If it were not for him and his wisdom, you would not have lived.

The same is true regarding Jehovah God and his son Christ Jesus. John 3:16 says:

(John 3:16) "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

Yes, one can rightfully say that Jesus saves. But really, who is the one who gave him to us? Was it not Jehovah God as John 3:16 says?

And among all the false gods of this world, only Jehovah is the one true Almighty God.

Isaiah was reminding the Israelites that Jehovah is the one true Almighty God in comparison to all surrounding false gods that the Israelites often fell prey to.

Sincerely, Lared
 
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Repeatedly the Scriptures refer to God as Savior. At Isaiah 43:11 God even says: "Besides me there is no savior." Since Jesus is also referred to as Savior, are God and Jesus the same? Not at all. Titus 1:3, 4 speaks of "God our Savior," and then of both "God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior." So, both persons are saviors.
BUt you don't deal with the contradiction this presents. If both are Saviors, how can there be only one Savior? Somehow, Jesus is only PROXY-SAVIOR for Jehovah? That's not what Scripture says. Acts 4:12 says "there is salvation in NO ONE ELSE" (other than Jesus).

What if Revelation is expressing the deeper truth, in chapter 1 where it says, "JEHOVAH is the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty"; and in chapter 22 where it says, "I am the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end; I JESUS have sent My angel to testify to you..." What if Jesus really IS identified with Jehovah, perfectly reflected in John14 where Jesus says, "Why do you ask to see the Father? If you've seem ME, you've seen the FATHER." And in John10 (30), Jesus says, "I and the Father are one in ESSENCE".

Do you see how all these verses fit together, if you consider the Deity of Christ? Perfect harmony. But you admit there is a contradiction, "only ONE SAVIOR JEHOVAH but Jesus is also a Savior---there is no contradiction if Jesus is God...

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Ben,
When I talk to others concerning the identity of God......I may say that Jehovah is God. (Of course, you may say that the trinity is god)

However I realize that Satan is also god. Not the Almighty God, but the god of this world.

One must consider the context of the conversation or the scriptures.

Remember Judges 3:9? Othniel is called saviour.

Also....Isa 43 verse 11 means that Jehovah alone was the One who provided salvation, or deliverance, for Israel; that salvation did not come from any of the gods of the surrounding nations.

Sincerely, Lared
 
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