If this does not scare you, you're brain dead!

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"Then came what historians will one day recall as a cultural revolution. Now we’re entering the endgame of the struggle over gay rights and the meaning of homosexuality. Conservatives have been routed, both in court and increasingly in the court of public opinion. It is commonly believed that the only reason to oppose same-sex marriage is rank bigotry or for religious reasons, neither of which—the argument goes—has any place in determining laws or public standards.

The magnitude of the defeat suffered by moral traditionalists will become ever clearer as older Americans pass from the scene. Poll after poll shows that for the young, homosexuality is normal and gay marriage is no big deal—except, of course, if one opposes it, in which case one has the approximate moral status of a segregationist in the late 1960s."
Sex After Christianity | The American Conservative

This is lifted out of an article in The American Conservative and the entire article should shake us to the core. We Baptists are supposed to be a 'Bible based' faith community. I'm old enough to remember clearly the 1960s and I know the 'Bible based' views held about integration in that day. I know I had bigoted views on the race question then and it shames me to think I held to those ignorant ideas, and tried to support it by Scripture. If we believe Scripture, we know the statement from the article above is a wrong conclusion: "for the young, homosexuality is normal and gay marriage is no big deal..." Homosexual orientation is indeed a deviation from the created order and is NOT normal. But, does that translate into it being an immoral deviancy for every gay person? Has the biblical faith community given real answers from Scripture to these folks? We have abdicated our responsibility to study thoroughly the problem in light of Scripture and allowed Christ-rejecting humanists to take the field! Modern culture is sinking into a new Sodom, but I fear the blame is on us, the church, not the godless in the nation. Posted for reflection, not argument. Read the entire article, this is a serious matter!
 

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I'll make a deal with you. If you can give me a good reason why any of God's people should be afraid of what is about to come on the Earth, I will be appropriately afraid.
It's your turn...go.
Well afraid for other people and/or people may not be confident in their faith. PM me if you like and I will share part of what I have had to do.
 
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Solomon tells us fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom. Sodom ;what God thinks of Homosexuality, and what he did about it. We live in the last Days as in the days of Noah, Noah warned people of what was to come but yet, we know the rest of the story and the out come. Think of this USA guilty of Murder Abortion 85 percent single women 50 million and counting, there is much sin in the world the fear is for my unsaved Children and family. I have grand Children and Great Grand children. Sound doctrine no one wants to hear, rejecting God is what the Homosexual community is doing reprobate minds and Christian minds don't think alike. I will tell you who is Brain Dead or should I say dead period, is unsaved people walking in Darkness, Blind to the light of God.

1Tim.1

  1. [10] For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine
  2. John.8
    1. [44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The author of perversion and deception no truth, so who is Brain dead? in
the end Christians win Satan loses.

In Christ love Soulbap6
 
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The scared, fearful or alarmed idea I had in my hyperbolic OP title has been shown well founded by replies I see to the OP... I see the NT times quite similar to our day.

The Sadducees are mentioned 14 times in the NT. Jesus warned his disciples against their erroneous teachings but there is no extended or protracted condemnation of them. Luke tells us about the Sadducees and what they believed:

"The Sadducees deny that there is any resurrection or angel or spirit, but the Pharisees believe in all three." (Acts 23:8, REB)

These Sadducees are anti-supernaturalists and deny a resurrection, or angels or the existence of our spirit. They are the 1st century forerunners of our current liberal theologians, those found in the liberal, mainline churches.

Then we have the Pharisees, the forerunners of our current fundamentalists. The Pharisee party started out with good intentions, to protect the fundamentals of the Old Covenant faith, upholding the points of law with exactness. In like manner, fundamentalists in the early 1900s were noble in desire to protect the fundamentals of the historic, Protestant, biblical faith. Yet, as with the Pharisees of old, fundamentalists added to God's word and presumed to judge.
Notice that Jesus did not single out the liberal, rationalist Sadducees for special condemnation, yet warned about their doctrines. On the other hand, the Pharisees he denounced and condemned in no uncertain words in Matthew 23:

Jesus, speaking about "The experts in the law and the Pharisees"(NET) said:

"They make up heavy loads and pile them on the shoulders of others, but will not themselves lift a finger to ease the burden." (Matt 23:4, REB)

"‘Alas for you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces; you do not enter yourselves, and when others try to enter, you stop them. ‘Alas for you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You travel over sea and land to win one convert; and when you have succeeded you make him twice as fit for hell as you are yourselves." (Matt 23:13-15, REB)

"Snakes! Vipers’ brood! How can you escape being condemned to hell?" (Matt 23:33, REB)

What a difference between fundamentalists and Pharisees as compared to Jesus Christ:

"‘Come to me, all who are weary and whose load is heavy; I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble-hearted; and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy to wear, my load is light.’" (Matt 11:28-30, REB)

The church has a responsibility and rightly fears if they abdicate their role:

"‘You are salt to the world. And if salt becomes tasteless, how is its saltness to be restored? It is good for nothing but to be thrown away and trodden underfoot. ‘You are light for all the world. A town that stands on a hill cannot be hidden. When a lamp is lit, it is not put under the meal-tub, but on the lampstand, where it gives light to everyone in the house. Like the lamp, you must shed light among your fellows, so that, when they see the good you do, they may give praise to your Father in heaven." (Matt 5:13-16, REB)

Do we see outsiders watching the 'people of God' and giving praise to our Father in heaven? This is not a matter of the gay situation, but a shame we have had since before the civil rights movement and racism clothed in distorted Bible quotes.
 
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Has the biblical faith community given real answers from Scripture to these folks? We have abdicated our responsibility to study thoroughly the problem in light of Scripture and allowed Christ-rejecting humanists to take the field! Modern culture is sinking into a new Sodom, but I fear the blame is on us, the church, not the godless in the nation
I completely agree with you. However it isn't too late to turn things around.
If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
(2 Chronicles 7:14 ESV)
This verse is often quoted as a call for America to repent but it is addressed only to "my people who are called by my name", meaning not the whole country but the Christians who are in it. We are the cause of the problem but if we obey God we can be the solution.
 
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2 Chronicles 7:14 Was not for the Christians of to day. Through out all of the old testament, the four Gospels, and half of the book of Acts, God is dealing with His Chosen People, the Nation of Isreal. All of this is for our learning. To help us understand God's plan and purpose for His Creation. We cannot do the law, we are not under the law. The Gentiles were never given any Laws, Covenents, Commandments, or Promises. We were outsiders, aliens from the commonwealth of Isreal. Considered as dogs, filthy, vile heathens.The only thing that the Gentiles can lay claim to, is the mystery that was revealed to the Apostle Paul. Then and only there, were the Gentiles included in anything that is found in the Bible. The Bible is a book of history. Read and study it as you would a book of history. You will get a better understanding of the Word of God. And be a better wittness for Jesus because it.
 
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2 Chronicles 7:14 Was not for the Christians of to day.
It wasn't written for us but we can learn from it.
For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
(Romans 15:4 ESV)

The promise it contains applies to us as much as it did to Israel. If we will repent God will hear our prayers.
 
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