Signs!! 911? Star Wars? The Inside Job?

Marantha said:

I eagerly anticipate looking for an absence of response from you, thus saving me the time from reading your hateful comments stemming from a negative attitude as well.

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It's all about the emotion with you, isn't it? You seem to equate emotion with truth. If people are angry, they must just be misguided. But if people jump on your emotional bandwagon, and suspend all logical thinking and critical thought, then they, too, are spiritual! They are enlightened! They are joining you around the internet 'campfire' telling the same 'ghost stories' as you! "Oooh, this video will really scare you! Pay attention! Heed my words!"

"Amen brother, I hear you. Scary stuff indeed." Then you are happy, and have found a brother, one who wants to be in the 'scary vibe' and suspend all normal lines of enquiry, critical thinking, and sanity.

When the church's critical thinking skills has been reduced to a virtual version of the campfire ghost story, yes, it is scary stuff indeed.

I will not be going anywhere; and it really does not make a difference to me how many with this type of attitude mock and stir up strife. I will pray for both you and Eclipse.

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Thanks for the prayers, and I too pray about this list and the people on it, including you. But please don't pretend that you do not mock as well. That would just confirm my impression of you as passive aggressive.

Marantha said:

{3:15} And let the peace of God rule in your
hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body;

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Those verses are all well and good, but need to be balanced against Jesus calling the Pharisees white washed tombs, Paul telling certain Judaizers he wish they'd go the whole way and emasculate themselves, and Paul's strong stance on church discipline with false teaching and false living at Corinth. These people should be rebuked and asked to leave the congregation! Your verses do not contradict the stronger, disciplinary verses of the bible, or make them disappear from our attitude to church action. You do not get to 'claim' these verses as some kind of guarantee and right to keep proclaiming false teaching, or as some kind of claim to a soft hand when you've been peddling outright lies.

I care enough about gospel issues to debate your attitude here. You push false video's about false prophecies and false abominations, and are now pushing false conspiracy theories about fake chemtrails. There's no scientific evidence.

As for biblical truth, we are to know the truth and the truth shall set us free. We are to trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus which frees us from the burden of sin. Then, as a gift from God, we receive the Holy Spirit which gives us a spirit of love, and power, and a sound mine. That is, literally, a sound, sober, sane mind and mode of thinking. It's self controlled. It is not blown everywhere by every wind of teaching. But you are. You were sucked into the March 22nd Abomination of Israel, believing Israel was going to be overwhelmed by floods and witness millions fleeing as refugees. It didn't happen. You are now pushing the chemtrails conspiracy theory, which shows weak and gullible thinking not constrained by any logical, disciplined thinking. All of this junk enslaves us to false doctrines and the guilt and fear and superstition of living outside of the 'real world'. It's chasing after fantasies. It's time to repent, and join the rest of us in a world where sane, safe, logical thinking rules your mind and disciplines your heart so that you can avoid being blown here and there by every wind of conspiracy theory.

Check out these verses on False Prophets.

1. Isaiah 44:25 who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,
   Isaiah 44:24-26 (in Context) Isaiah 44 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Jeremiah 14:14 Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
   Jeremiah 14:13-15 (in Context) Jeremiah 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.
   Jeremiah 23:15-17 (in Context) Jeremiah 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Jeremiah 23:33 [ False Prophecy ] “When these people, or a prophet or a priest, ask you, ‘What is the message from the Lord?’ say to them, ‘What message? I will forsake you, declares the Lord.’
   Jeremiah 23:32-34 (in Context) Jeremiah 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
5. Jeremiah 28:1 [ The False Prophet Hananiah ] In the fifth month of that same year, the fourth year, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, the prophet Hananiah son of Azzur, who was from Gibeon, said to me in the house of the Lord in the presence of the priests and all the people:
   Jeremiah 28:1-3 (in Context) Jeremiah 28 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
6. Jeremiah 50:36 A sword against her false prophets! They will become fools. A sword against her warriors! They will be filled with terror.
   Jeremiah 50:35-37 (in Context) Jeremiah 50 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
7. Lamentations 2:14 The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The prophecies they gave you were false and misleading.
   Lamentations 2:13-15 (in Context) Lamentations 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
8. Ezekiel 13:1 [ False Prophets Condemned ] The word of the Lord came to me:
   Ezekiel 13:1-3 (in Context) Ezekiel 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
9. Ezekiel 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.
   Ezekiel 13:8-10 (in Context) Ezekiel 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
10. Ezekiel 22:28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken.
    Ezekiel 22:27-29 (in Context) Ezekiel 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
11. Hosea 11:6 A sword will flash in their cities; it will devour their false prophets and put an end to their plans.
    Hosea 11:5-7 (in Context) Hosea 11 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
12. Micah 2:6 [ False Prophets ] “Do not prophesy,” their prophets say. “Do not prophesy about these things; disgrace will not overtake us.”
    Micah 2:5-7 (in Context) Micah 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
13. Matthew 7:15 [ True and False Prophets ] “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
    Matthew 7:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
14. Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
    Matthew 24:10-12 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
15. Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
    Matthew 24:23-25 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
16. Mark 13:22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
    Mark 13:21-23 (in Context) Mark 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
17. Luke 6:26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
    Luke 6:25-27 (in Context) Luke 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
18. Acts 13:6 They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus,
    Acts 13:5-7 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
19. 2 Peter 2:1 [ False Teachers and Their Destruction ] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
    2 Peter 2:1-3 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
20. 1 John 4:1 [ On Denying the Incarnation ] Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
    1 John 4:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
21. Revelation 16:13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    Revelation 16:12-14 (in Context) Revelation 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
22. Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
    Revelation 19:19-21 (in Context) Revelation 19 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
23. Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    Revelation 20:9-11 (in Context) Revelation 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Check out these verses on False Prophets.

1. Isaiah 44:25 who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,
   Isaiah 44:24-26 (in Context) Isaiah 44 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Jeremiah 14:14 Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
   Jeremiah 14:13-15 (in Context) Jeremiah 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.
   Jeremiah 23:15-17 (in Context) Jeremiah 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Jeremiah 23:33 [ False Prophecy ] “When these people, or a prophet or a priest, ask you, ‘What is the message from the Lord?’ say to them, ‘What message? I will forsake you, declares the Lord.’
   Jeremiah 23:32-34 (in Context) Jeremiah 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
5. Jeremiah 28:1 [ The False Prophet Hananiah ] In the fifth month of that same year, the fourth year, early in the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, the prophet Hananiah son of Azzur, who was from Gibeon, said to me in the house of the Lord in the presence of the priests and all the people:
   Jeremiah 28:1-3 (in Context) Jeremiah 28 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
6. Jeremiah 50:36 A sword against her false prophets! They will become fools. A sword against her warriors! They will be filled with terror.
   Jeremiah 50:35-37 (in Context) Jeremiah 50 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
7. Lamentations 2:14 The visions of your prophets were false and worthless; they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity. The prophecies they gave you were false and misleading.
   Lamentations 2:13-15 (in Context) Lamentations 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
8. Ezekiel 13:1 [ False Prophets Condemned ] The word of the Lord came to me:
   Ezekiel 13:1-3 (in Context) Ezekiel 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
9. Ezekiel 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.
   Ezekiel 13:8-10 (in Context) Ezekiel 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
10. Ezekiel 22:28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken.
    Ezekiel 22:27-29 (in Context) Ezekiel 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
11. Hosea 11:6 A sword will flash in their cities; it will devour their false prophets and put an end to their plans.
    Hosea 11:5-7 (in Context) Hosea 11 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
12. Micah 2:6 [ False Prophets ] “Do not prophesy,” their prophets say. “Do not prophesy about these things; disgrace will not overtake us.”
    Micah 2:5-7 (in Context) Micah 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
13. Matthew 7:15 [ True and False Prophets ] “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
    Matthew 7:14-16 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
14. Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
    Matthew 24:10-12 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
15. Matthew 24:24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
    Matthew 24:23-25 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
16. Mark 13:22 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
    Mark 13:21-23 (in Context) Mark 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
17. Luke 6:26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
    Luke 6:25-27 (in Context) Luke 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
18. Acts 13:6 They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus,
    Acts 13:5-7 (in Context) Acts 13 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
19. 2 Peter 2:1 [ False Teachers and Their Destruction ] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
    2 Peter 2:1-3 (in Context) 2 Peter 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
20. 1 John 4:1 [ On Denying the Incarnation ] Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
    1 John 4:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
21. Revelation 16:13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    Revelation 16:12-14 (in Context) Revelation 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
22. Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
    Revelation 19:19-21 (in Context) Revelation 19 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
23. Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    Revelation 20:9-11 (in Context) Revelation 20 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

LastSeven said:

Knowing to what extent they would go and how many innocent lives they would sacrifice to achieve their own goals, not to mention all the obvious evidence that was captured on video on Sept 11, why on earth anybody would trust the official story is beyond me.

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Because even though I have no reason to trust the CIA with their darstadly history, I have no evidence that 9/11 was anything other than a Muslim attack on America, and that's a fact.

Aijalon said:

I thought stuff like "even if the towers did fall wierdly (freefall) it must have been a physical possibility because planes did do heavy damage" (but I could never resolve how the foundations of the building just turned to dust.

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The thousands of tons of debris falling had the physics to flash-fry-pulverise a human body. There was not just heat generated by the burning jet fuel, but friction heat generated by the collapsing concrete. It was more like a pyroclastic flow!

I thought stuff like "the fire must have been very hot, like they say, otherwise how would the steel melt?" (not realizing that jet fuel and office funiture within an oxygen starved fire don't burn hot enough to melt steel)

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Nah, engineers have confirmed that the heat distorted the steel struts which held up the first few floors, and when they buckled far enough the floors collapsed, causing a chain reaction.

I thought stuff like: "it was a very strange coincidence that the air force was incapable of intercepting these planes for so many hours" not realizing that nearly every fighter in the eastern region was diverted to participate in a training excercise far away from NYC.

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Patterns do not indiciate intent. You have circumstantial evidence here, that's all.

Now, we need to solve this 'who blew up the death star' thing, because that really looks like an inside job!

LastSeven said:

No evidence? You must be blind.

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A predictable character attack from a 'Truufer', but minus the evidence. These 9/11 conspiracies are just being pushed by people trying to make a name for themselves or sell a book. I mean, are you serious? Anyone that can read wikipedia and follow a few source links and knows who the credible reporting agencies are can even arrange to visit an engineer that assessed these matters. I can't believe how ready some people are to accept total junk!

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the technology magazine Popular Mechanics have investigated and rejected the claims made by 9/11 conspiracy theories.[14][15] The civil engineering community accepts that the impacts of jet aircraft at high speeds in combination with subsequent fires, not controlled demolition, led to the collapse of the Twin Towers.[16] This also was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission, chaired by Governor Thomas Kean.
9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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LastSeven said:

I'm not trying to attack your character with my statement. I'm trying to make a point. The point is that there is a mountain of evidence to suggest that the official story is a lie, so for you to say there is none makes you appear to be blind. Do you really want to start debating the evidence?

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Do you really want to read the reports I linked to in the basic wiki above? I'm only interested in peer-reviewed scientific conclusions, not whacko conspiracy theories.