My wife feels rejected

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First some background. We've been married 12 years and have three lovely children. For the most part those 12 years have been good. However the last couple have been rocky. We are fire and ice when it comes to personality types. I'm cool headed, logical, introverted, regarded by those who dont know me as aloof or shy. She is bubbly, outgoing, warm, friendly.

Growing up, my childhood was difficult. My parents constantly argued and were unhappy. I could not help but feel they both wanted to be somewhere else. I was always the perfect son, trying to keep the peace, never saying or doing anything that might inflame a situation. Through school i was the shy nerd who girls didnt want to know. Her parents are wonderful, caring, proud, and involved. When i met her, she fell in love with me and it was like a sunrise. I had never experienced that kind of devotion and love.

Through the start of our relationship i occasionally had pangs of guilt that i didn't feel the vivacious "in love" feelings that she felt for me. I loved her certainly, but there wasnt "chemistry". We were married and had our first child after two years. Our second child was born two years later. We treasured our young family and those years were good.

Her libido was always much higher than mine. i sometimes struggled to keep up, which frustrated her. She was also hurt at times at the scarcity of my compliments on how she looked. It also irked her that i was a stay-at-home type who lacked a sense of adventure.

Some years back we both suffered with depression at different times. I tried a number of medications which didnt help. The past year she has become very down. Her interest in sex dried up to nothing. Since then, when she looks at me, i no longer see adoration. I now see disappointment and even contempt. Last week we sat down and had a heart to heart.

She told me that she has long suspected that i loved her but was not "in love". She said she felt i was not attracted to her physically, that i did not consider her "beautiful", and that this was the source of our differing libidos. I was gob smacked. To a degree she is correct. Physical attraction has been an issue. However i am very much attracted to the person she is and to a myriad of little things about her. I value the passion our love making used to have and miss it. She says she has boxed away that part of her as she cant bare the thought that i am simply living a lie. She feels hurt and doesnt want to be hurt again.

So i am at a loss how to proceed. I love her deeply and am committed to us. I had hoped after so many years together that physical attraction would no longer be so important. It appears i was wrong.
 
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First I would like to refer you to this topic that I made (christianforums.com/t7737022/) please view and see if it changes anything for you. Second I would suggest you guys fast and pray about it. Sometime we have to fight for certain things in our lives. I will pray for you. God bless you
 
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My wife and I have similar personalities to the two of you, and my wife struggled with clinical depression which gradually intensified through the early part of our marriage.

I would also recommend a good counselor - by "good" I mean better than average. Although clinical depression has chemical origins, it can also have psychological issues and complications which are intensified by the chemical components.

Hopefully your doctor who diagnosed the clinical depression can recommend someone - counseling and antidepressants really helped my wife.
 
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First some background. We've been married 12 years and have three lovely children. For the most part those 12 years have been good. However the last couple have been rocky. We are fire and ice when it comes to personality types. I'm cool headed, logical, introverted, regarded by those who dont know me as aloof or shy. She is bubbly, outgoing, warm, friendly.

Growing up, my childhood was difficult. My parents constantly argued and were unhappy. I could not help but feel they both wanted to be somewhere else. I was always the perfect son, trying to keep the peace, never saying or doing anything that might inflame a situation. Through school i was the shy nerd who girls didnt want to know. Her parents are wonderful, caring, proud, and involved. When i met her, she fell in love with me and it was like a sunrise. I had never experienced that kind of devotion and love.

Through the start of our relationship i occasionally had pangs of guilt that i didn't feel the vivacious "in love" feelings that she felt for me. I loved her certainly, but there wasnt "chemistry". We were married and had our first child after two years. Our second child was born two years later. We treasured our young family and those years were good.

Her libido was always much higher than mine. i sometimes struggled to keep up, which frustrated her. She was also hurt at times at the scarcity of my compliments on how she looked. It also irked her that i was a stay-at-home type who lacked a sense of adventure.

Some years back we both suffered with depression at different times. I tried a number of medications which didnt help. The past year she has become very down. Her interest in sex dried up to nothing. Since then, when she looks at me, i no longer see adoration. I now see disappointment and even contempt. Last week we sat down and had a heart to heart.

She told me that she has long suspected that i loved her but was not "in love". She said she felt i was not attracted to her physically, that i did not consider her "beautiful", and that this was the source of our differing libidos. I was gob smacked. To a degree she is correct. Physical attraction has been an issue. However i am very much attracted to the person she is and to a myriad of little things about her. I value the passion our love making used to have and miss it. She says she has boxed away that part of her as she cant bare the thought that i am simply living a lie. She feels hurt and doesnt want to be hurt again.

So i am at a loss how to proceed. I love her deeply and am committed us. I had hoped after so many years together that physical attraction would no longer be so important. It appears i was wrong.

my brother suffers from depression, and one thing I noticed about him is that when he is depressed, his perception of his life as well as those around him is changed, and it is really difficult for him to snap out it and I don't think he can on his own.

it sounds like there are other issues in your marriage, but in order to see those issues clearly, you two might have to address your depression first.

now from my brother, one of the things I have learnt that is most crucial to him staying well is sleep, by sleep the solid 8 hour a night kind, preferably at regular, healthy hours like 9 to 5. Without it he will get down no matter what.

And beyond what Dark Horse suggested, I also think CBT helps.

And spend time with God is essential as well, I think when our spiritual side is recharged with time with God, the enemy is less able to tempt us with depressing and ungodly thoughts.
 
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If you aren't attracted to her, are you attracted to other women? I know I wouldn't want to feel like my husband's sister, mother, or friend. I mean friendship should be there too, but you should never lose your attraction to her, and you need to ask yourself if you are doing anything to cultivate your attraction to her, or are you doing anything to cultivate your attraction to other women? This is a big deal.

Please pray over, and study this scripture.

Proverbs 5:15-19

15 Drink water from your own cistern,
running water from your own well.
16 Should your springs overflow in the streets,
your streams of water in the public squares?
17 Let them be yours alone,
never to be shared with strangers.
18 May your fountain be blessed,
and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.
19 A loving doe, a graceful deer —
may her breasts satisfy you always,
may you ever be captivated by her love.
NIV


Study the Hebrew words with a lexicon and a concordance, and pray that God will give you a depth of understanding of the meaning, and that He will work this into you for your wife.
 
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What everyone else said. When I had bad depression it just kept changing me for the worse. Looking back I can see how that would have messed up my marriage had I been married then.

Some people say attraction to your spouse physically doesn't matter. But I beg to differ. It will mess up your sex life and eventually cause bigger issues. I've used the gear analogy before of if one gear in marriage starts to rust and mess up, it affects the other gears.

Before you married her did were you attracted to her? Like on your honeymoon night were you saying "I've been looking forward to this so much, your so beautiful dear!". I know for me its how I was on my honeymoon. I loved her body, it was attractive to me.

But as stated its likely the depression making things worse. You don't want it to make any bigger tears or else you may not be able to fix them.
 
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She told me that she has long suspected that i loved her but was not "in love". She said she felt i was not attracted to her physically, that i did not consider her "beautiful", and that this was the source of our differing libidos. I was gob smacked. To a degree she is correct. Physical attraction has been an issue. However i am very much attracted to the person she is and to a myriad of little things about her. I value the passion our love making used to have and miss it. She says she has boxed away that part of her as she cant bare the thought that i am simply living a lie. She feels hurt and doesnt want to be hurt again.

You were gobsmacked by something you already knew? Or perhaps you were gobsmacked by the fact that she came right out and said it like that. 'Keeping the peace' is destroying the peace in this case.

It sounds like you valued the passion that she brought to the bedroom. But where is yours? It sounds like you love her because you felt loved by her. But now her passion needs a refill, and you are just the right man for the job.

Keep this conversation going. If you are attracted to myriad little things about her, don't leave that general statement hanging out there, but tell her each and every one of those things. And then tell her again and tell her again.
 
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Whatever you do, don't be insincere. Do not tell her what you merely think she wants to hear. Hollywood has a lot to answer for. Too many women are taught to think that the honeymoon chemistry they knew at the start of a relationship is the norm for all the way through. They see love stories in the movies and think thats how real life is. This puts tremendous pressure on their husbands. It is unrealistic for most.

Do you love your wife? Does she know it? Then that should be all that matters. A good sex life is when two healthy people love themselves and each other. Such insecurity about her appearance says more for her self esteem than for your behaviour. That being said, always take care to make sincere compliments any time an opportunity may arise.
 
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We've had our first counseling session. It was very stressful. After acquainting herself with our backgrounds, the Councillor got straight into it. My wife shared that not only does she feel rejected by me, she feels humiliated and betrayed. She is convinced that i have been false through all our years together. What were once happy memories she now views as lies. Apart from the pain this causes, it makes me angry. How can she write off years of a great relationship like that? Its as if she's replaced rose colored glasses with blackout shades. Neither is reality.
 
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We've had our first counseling session. It was very stressful. After acquainting herself with our backgrounds, the Councillor got straight into it. My wife shared that not only does she feel rejected by me, she feels humiliated and betrayed. She is convinced that i have been false through all our years together. What were once happy memories she now views as lies. Apart from the pain this causes, it makes me angry. How can she write off years of a great relationship like that? Its as if she's replaced rose colored glasses with blackout shades. Neither is reality.


I know those kinds of words can be hurtful. Someone going through difficult times in a relationship can have a tendency to 're-write the relationship' in their mind, characterizing the whole thing as a bad relationship. In Consumer Psychology, there is also the issue of the 'recency effect.' Right after a bad experience in a series of experiences, there is a tendency to remember the whole series of experiences as bad if the last experience was bad. But after a while, one gets a more balanced picture of the whole experience. So if you go to a great restaurant and eat a great meal with a lousy desert, right after, you will probably think of the meal as kind of poor. But some time later, you will probably think of the meal as better than you did right after you ate the bad dessert.

If your wife has some fresh wounds from the marriage, she may have a negative view of the marriage, but that may be temporary. What she said to the counselor represented her experiences right at that moment.
 
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The 5 love languages book (and online test) should be handed out at every church! :)

Heres the books free online test (no catch to it):
Language Profile | The 5 Love Languages®

Worst. Book. Ever.

Seriously.

Honestly, her revelations during the counseling session may be painful, but in order to get to the root of the issue, it has to be heard. If you don't hear it, it can't be addressed. I'd celebrate that she was able to express it so that you're able to deal with it. Going to counseling is, for sure, the right choice.

Honestly, your wife sounds like she's lonely, dealing with depression, and has self-image issues. Counseling is where you both need to be.
 
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We've had our first counseling session. It was very stressful. After acquainting herself with our backgrounds, the Councillor got straight into it. My wife shared that not only does she feel rejected by me, she feels humiliated and betrayed. She is convinced that i have been false through all our years together. What were once happy memories she now views as lies. Apart from the pain this causes, it makes me angry. How can she write off years of a great relationship like that? Its as if she's replaced rose colored glasses with blackout shades. Neither is reality.

Ouch.

I know that counseling is painful, but hang in there. Take a deep breath and instead of trying to 'correct' your wife's view, try to just learn about how she works.

For example, if she 'works' by coloring over the past with the present, that might be working against you at this difficult moment, but it can work for you (and for your marriage) in the future. Forgiveness is hard, but if the two of you can slog through this minefield of issues now, those rose-colored glasses might come in handy in a year.

So be angry, be hurt, but remember that you are opening up these wounds for a purpose. You can't have heart surgery without someone coming at you with a knife.

Be strong, brother.
 
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Worst. Book. Ever.

Seriously.

And that's your opinion. I can vouch that it helped my wife and I and taught me how to properly give to her to help her feel appreciated, loved and beautiful. When I apply it, it works (for us).

Counseling is good too. All eggs should not be placed in one basket anyway.
 
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And that's your opinion. I can vouch that it helped my wife and I and taught me how to properly give to her to help her feel appreciated, loved and beautiful. When I apply it, it works (for us).

Counseling is good too. All eggs should not be placed in one basket anyway.

I'm glad it helped you, but the book is based off of dated pop psychology, made popular by an Atheist, and re-branded as Christian. While I have no problem with Atheists at all and found the original work to be interesting, though dated and very broad, I think that the co-opting it as Christian and spiritual was a blatant attempt to cash in on the Christian market. I think a lot of people didn't read the source material from the 70's, and if they did, I doubt it'd be heralded as it sometimes is.

There are a lot of great relationship books out there, but I'm sorry, for the serious problems... Especially for women who're struggling with some of the issues she's having... This is not your book. And this guy has serious marital issues. If he were to apply some of what's from that book, it would be like throwing oil on fire. It's just a very superficial problem solving that won't help with the serious stuff.
 
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We've had our first counseling session. It was very stressful. After acquainting herself with our backgrounds, the Councillor got straight into it. My wife shared that not only does she feel rejected by me, she feels humiliated and betrayed. She is convinced that i have been false through all our years together. What were once happy memories she now views as lies. Apart from the pain this causes, it makes me angry. How can she write off years of a great relationship like that? Its as if she's replaced rose colored glasses with blackout shades. Neither is reality.


Did she tell you why she feels this way?
 
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I'm glad it helped you, but the book is based off of dated pop psychology, made popular by an Atheist, and re-branded as Christian. While I have no problem with Atheists at all and found the original work to be interesting, though dated and very broad, I think that the co-opting it as Christian and spiritual was a blatant attempt to cash in on the Christian market. I think a lot of people didn't read the source material from the 70's, and if they did, I doubt it'd be heralded as it sometimes is.

There are a lot of great relationship books out there, but I'm sorry, for the serious problems... Especially for women who're struggling with some of the issues she's having... This is not your book. And this guy has serious marital issues. If he were to apply some of what's from that book, it would be like throwing oil on fire. It's just a very superficial problem solving that won't help with the serious stuff.

There are not to many christians I know that don't like the book...if any really. Majority outweighs the few.
 
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There are not to many christians I know that don't like the book...if any really. Majority outweighs the few.

Well then it must be great and not at all based on dated pop psychology based off of Atheist teachings, converted to a Christian angle to make money.
 
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