Jesus Christ could not have sinned! He is impeccable.

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If Christ could not have sinned, His victory over sin would have no effect on us in our battle against it. It would also deny His human nature. He was totally God and totally human.

And how do you come to the conclusion that His victory over sin is supposed to effect out battle against sin?
 
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And how do you come to the conclusion that His victory over sin is supposed to effect out battle against sin?[/QUOTE

If God cannot win over sin, which is alien to His nature, do you think you or I or anyone can? In the Book of Romans, Paul states he can do it only with the help of Christ.
 
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Why every one is fighting over a bunch of what if questions in here is stupid. We can ask and fight all day but the bottom line is we are not god we will not understand everything and we will go crazy trying to so stop.

The bottom line that we can all agree on and the only thing that matters is Christ did not sin. And for this he went to the cross paying our debt and sin.

It's Easter and his sacrifice is all we should be focused on right now this argument is pointless. And it is distracting us from what this time of year is really about. We don't all have to be right and we don't always have to prove a point. So lay down your swords and think about the cross and resurrection because that is what is important.
 
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And how do you come to the conclusion that His victory over sin is supposed to effect out battle against sin?[/QUOTE

If God cannot win over sin, which is alien to His nature, do you think you or I or anyone can? In the Book of Romans, Paul states he can do it only with the help of Christ.

Jesus did win over sin. But why do you think it's necessary that He could have sinned for this to take place? I don't see how being 100% man necessitates having the ability to sin.
 
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Why every one is fighting over a bunch of what if questions in here is stupid. We can ask and fight all day but the bottom line is we are not god we will not understand everything and we will go crazy trying to so stop.

The bottom line that we can all agree on and the only thing that matters is Christ did not sin. And for this he went to the cross paying our debt and sin.

It's Easter and his sacrifice is all we should be focused on right now this argument is pointless. And it is distracting us from what this time of year is really about. We don't all have to be right and we don't always have to prove a point. So lay down your swords and think about the cross and resurrection because that is what is important.

Who is fighting?
 
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The point is the Savior could not have had one advantage over us if He was going to deliver us from sin. In other words, He (Jesus) does not just sympathize with the human race, He empathizes. It does not mean that Jesus had a propensity for sin as
we do at times. Not at all! But the word said "He was tempted on all points but yet with out sin." How is it possible to be tempted and remain with out sin? "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."James 1:14-15 Simply put, Jesus never conceived. He could have, then Heaven and earth would be lost. But he did not, and offers us the same power by which to gain victory.

nice use of those versus

ty for that .. he could be tempted in every manner of flesh but not enticed as he did not have those things in him..

i have learned a little more this day:clap::clap:
 
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I disagree Jesus had every opportunity to sin he made the choice not to and with keeping his relationship strong with the father so the holy spirit could gave him strength. He was still weak in the flesh and still had free will.

If Jesus didn't have the ability to sin then his sinless life and sacrifice on the cross for us would have no meaning. The fact that he made the right choice to follow God and have close relationship with him in spite of his sin nature is what make his sacrifice for us that much more special and meaningful. He made the choice to be taken from his throne in heaven being worshiped to be put here as a baby totally dependent on his parents for everything. Jesus had it all and gave all of that up or us that is what makes what he did so awesome! He loves us that much he could have stayed in heaven but he didn't for us.

And scripture tells us that with a strong relationship with God we can perform miracles, move mountains, and raise the dead. So unless you don't think scripture is truth then you are wrong. God can do anything and he can move thoruh us anyway he wants to limit him is wrong.

Amen. When Christ came to the earth...he did not come as a God, he came as a man... he lived as a man....he had hurts, thoughts, and feelings as a man.... he could be tempted as a man and that is what makes his sacrifice so special... he held true to his Father's will and he died as a man would, but as a God he took on our sins to be the last sacrifice. He could have come as a God and not suffered at all, but our sins would not have been covered either.
 
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Amen. When Christ came to the earth...he did not come as a God, he came as a man... he lived as a man....he had hurts, thoughts, and feelings as a man.... he could be tempted as a man and that is what makes his sacrifice so special... he held true to his Father's will and he died as a man would, but as a God he took on our sins to be the last sacrifice. He could have come as a God and not suffered at all, but our sins would not have been covered either.

That's so convoluted I'm not sure where to start. I'll revisit later when my head stops swimming
 
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When the Son of God came to earth to take on the nature of man, he came by way of the virgin birth. That means he did not have "original sin", and that made Jesus a very special man. So, He is different from us as the impeccable Jesus Christ, fully God and fully man. Jesus did not have to have the sin nature in order to be a man and be tempted or tested. Why else do we fight and defend the virgin birth with such vigor?
 
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yet we know he had free will ...
free will means he had choice .

we know this for he prayed .. never the less not my will , but Thine be done

Jesus did indeed have free agency, but did he have free will? He makes choices based on his nature, fully God and fully man. Can the Holy God will to sin? Did anyone force Jesus against His nature to do things contrary to who He was? We do see Jesus' humanity in the foreground often, but never in a manner where we can say He could have sinned.

We fallen men have free agency, but do we also have free will? No one compels us to sin, we do it by our very own sin nature. We make that choice solely based on who we are, sinners and we cannot do otherwise, so that is not a free will. Even our most righteous acts are tinged with our sins and are accepted solely as righteous as seen in Christ. Yes, we make choices daily and are accountable for those choices, but our choices are made according to our natures, which are sinful. I am amazed at so much occurrence of the term "free will" in religion, I find so little of that term in Scripture.
 
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yet we know he had free will ...
free will means he had choice .

we know this for he prayed .. never the less not my will , but Thine be done

And again, why does free will automatically mean the free will to sin?
 
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