Job = Adam = Logos

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The meaning of many passages in the book of Job are obscure today. This is not surprising since they were obscure even when Job was uttering them. Job was trying to tell people that he was Adam (Christ/Logos) and that his suffering (as the passover lamb) was not due to any misconduct on his part but rather was part of God's plan for the salvation of mankind. But the people just didnt understand what he was saying. They still dont

Outline of the Bible/Job - Religion-wiki

When YHWH spoke he was addressing Elihu not Job.
 
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The meaning of many passages in the book of Job are obscure today. This is not surprising since they were obscure even when Job was saying them. Job was trying to tell people that he was Adam (Christ/Logos) and that his suffering (as the passover lamb) was not due to any misconduct on his part but rather was part of God's plan for the salvation of mankind. But the people just didnt understand what he was saying. They still dont

Outline of the Bible/Job - Religion-wiki

When YHWH spoke he was addressing Elihu not Job.

You might wanna ask yerself who stood in God's stead.

And whose righteousness was shown to be filthy rags.

Also why didn't Elihu have to make an animal sacrifice?
 
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What? you reckon he was dressed in a tux, while he was scratchin' them boils and castin' dust in his hair?

Elihu was not zophar :doh:

do you suppose jesus was dressed in a tux while on the cross?

the idea that elihu is zophar comes from the overall structure of the book.
there should be a final speech by zophar but its missing.
In its place is the speech by elihu.
 
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do you suppose jesus was dressed in a tux while on the cross?

the idea that elihu is zophar comes from the overall structure of the book.
there should be a final speech by zophar but its missing.
In its place is the speech by elihu.

Elihu was a Buzite, Zophar was a Naamathite,

Job 32:2 KJVA

Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled , because he justified himself rather than God.

Job 20:1 KJVA

Then answered Zophar the Naamathite,

Who had to make the animal sacrifices?

Job 42:9 KJVA

So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went , and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job .
 
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technically it says that Barachel (not Elihu) was the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram

NETBible: Naamathite

NAAMATHITE [ISBE]

NAAMATHITE - na'-a-ma-thit, na-am'-a-thit (na`amdthi, "a dweller in Naaman";): The description of Zophar, one of Job's friends (Job 2:11; 11:1; 20:1, etc.). Naamah is too common a place-name to permit of the identification of Zophar's home; the Septuagint renders it as ho M(e)inaion basileus ("king of the Minaeans.")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minaeans

The Minaeans were the inhabitants of the kingdom of Ma'in (Old South Arabian mʿn, vocalized Maʿīn; modern Arabic معين Maʿīn) in modern day Yemen, dating back to the 6th century BCE.[1] It was located along the strip of desert called Ṣayhad by medieval Arab geographers, which is now known as Ramlat al-Sab`atayn.
The Minaean people were one of four ancient Yemeni groups mentioned by Eratosthenes. The others were the Sabaeans, Ḥaḑramites and Qatabānians. Each of these had regional kingdoms in ancient Yemen, with the Minaeans in the north-west (in Wādī al-Jawf), the Sabeans to the south-east of them, the Qatabānians to the south-east of the Sabaeans, and the Ḥaḑramites east of them.


ΙΩΒ 2 Apostolic Bible Polyglot
 
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Here mentions Job (and names three freinds)

Job 2:11 Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him.

Right here Elihu's (in purple) wrath is shown against Job

Job 32:2 Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.

Next verse shows the and"also" against Jobs three freinds

Job 32:3 Also against his three friends was his wrath kindled, because they had found no answer, and yet had condemned Job.

Job 32:5 When Elihu saw that there was no answer in the mouth of these three men, then his wrath was kindled.

In Job 20:1 shows Zophar the Naamathite speaks there, Elihu said he let them speak first and let Job finish speaking.
 
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The meaning of many passages in the book of Job are obscure today. This is not surprising since they were obscure even when Job was saying them. Job was trying to tell people that he was Adam (Christ/Logos) and that his suffering (as the passover lamb) was not due to any misconduct on his part but rather was part of God's plan for the salvation of mankind. But the people just didnt understand what he was saying. They still dont

Outline of the Bible/Job - Religion-wiki

When YHWH spoke he was addressing Elihu not Job.
I would disagree with the article in Wiki. IMHO, Job represents the transition of man from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant.

Job begins as a man who possesses a self righteousness. His righteousness is based on his own works and though he has "faith", his faith is based within himself rather than God. He shows this when he begins to think that he has the right to challenge God.

Many Christians suffer from the Job complex though they, like Job, cannot perceive it. We think that we have faith but in reality that faith is within ourselves rather than in God. Many of us have to experience Job's fall in order to learn what true faith really is.

I know that I did. It was both the worse and best thing that could have happened to me. I lost everything that was important to me but I found faith by losing it all.

Job represents Christianity when he finally realizes that regardless of what we experience in life, we must trust God. When we do that, we then receive a righteousness which comes from God and not from our own works.

When we step back and look at the story of Job we can see the allegory which lies within. Job begins as the Jews of the Mosaic Law(righteousness from works) and ends as the Christians of the New Covenant(righteousness apart from works).
 
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Job is an interesting one for me. God calls him perfect and upright (none like him in the earth). Job on the otherhand says if he (himself) said he was perfect that would prove him perverse. Though he said, "though I were righteous yet I would not answer" he also said if I justify myself my own mouth would condemn me. He even asks, how should a man be just with God? God says to Satan thou movest me against him without cause, and Job says he breakest me with the tempest without cause (the same). Because the evil being inflicted, though of Satan, when Job said shall we not receive the good from the hand of God and the evil it specifically notes there that Job did not sin with his lips there.

Then when you look at what he says previously, even the match ups found in Christ such as the put to grief, or taking away his judgment, the two are found in Job. Theres so many of them.

Even with contending with God, its just what Job says in respects to the same twofold

But this section here is one of many throughout I have been dissecting, to examinine what he had previously said, and what was said to him, to better "get it".

Just snipped out this part, Job at least asks

Job 9:2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?

Here he say if one would contend with him (he cant answer)

Job 9:3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.

Let this one answer

Job 40:1 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

Job follows what he said previously

Job 45: Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.

Again as he had said...

Job 9:3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.

Then here...

Job 40:7 Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

Theres that "also" in there...

Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

Concerning justifying himself Job said this earlier

Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

Even though Job said...

Job 9:13 Whom, though I were righteous, yet would I not answer, but I would make supplication to my judge.

So God called Job perfect (yet Job believed saying so of himself would prove him perverse). Even though he said "though I were righteous" (yet I would not answer) and of three God names who could deliver their souls by their own righteousnessand names Noah and Daniel and Job.

Saying that is not meant to justify Job but there are not only really interestingly worded statements (previously by Job) you see him whip into action. But many other pretty cool similarities that seem to mirror what you compare elsewhere of Christ. Not at all saying they are the same, but he comes in the volume of the book, he too was put to grief, as Job asks, hast thou eyes of flesh? Dost thou seest as a man seest? The Word was made flesh (who also being a partaker of our flesh and blood) became a more merciful high priest. When it speaks of what appears of his judgment being taken away, of Christ it speaks the same. Of his freinds as miserable comforters, elsewhere considering they had no comforter, and the sending of the comforter (theres others too). But I find it interesting just to compare around in there rather then use it as a justifying and condemning tool. I just find it rather fascinating to sift though and I find more all the time in there.

Anyway, time for bed, nite all
 
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Job 9:20 If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse.

Because..........


MICAH 6:8


He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Isaiah 42:16 KJVA

And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known : I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.


Isaiah 46:10 KJVA

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done , saying , My counsel shall stand , and I will do all my pleasure:
 
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Behemoth = Adam

behemoth "is the head of the ways of God"

Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church
 
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Behemoth = Adam

behemoth "is the head of the ways of God"

Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church

Shows this here

Daniel 2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou Art this head of gold.
 
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http://www.bookofjob.org/intro.htm

The Book of Job is an intentionally ambiguous work defying superficial and simplistic readings. At many points, a multiplicity of complementary, even contradictory, interpretations are possible. It is only the legitimacy of one’s overall interpretation of the book as a whole that allows one to choose between such interpretations. In any event, The Book of Job is a goldmine. All who seriously mine its treasures come away enriched, whether or not they reach the same conclusions I do.
 
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The meaning of many passages in the book of Job are obscure today. This is not surprising since they were obscure even when Job was saying them. Job was trying to tell people that he was Adam (Christ/Logos) and that his suffering (as the passover lamb) was not due to any misconduct on his part but rather was part of God's plan for the salvation of mankind. But the people just didnt understand what he was saying. They still dont

Outline of the Bible/Job - Religion-wiki

When YHWH spoke he was addressing Elihu not Job.

I don't understand how you could come up with this nonsense, but tell me did not Job offer up sacrifices for his family and himself?

Did Christ need to offer one for Himself?

Why not?
 
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Job = Yod = Yidlaph = laphyid

And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. 13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a smoking laphyid that passed between those pieces.
18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Comparative_mythology_chart/Bible2
 
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