would you advice a friend to hid her pregrancy from her ex if...

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In my state of Ohio she may have obtained an illegal divorce because here a divorce will not be granted if you are pregnant.

At SOME point in time his paternity will become an issue,child can ask questions when older. With paternity also comes the responsibility to support for the child.
 
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Of course, seek legal counsel.

But unless the man is abusive, adding another "wrong" to the equation by hiding the pregnancy is not going to make the situation any more right. It is his right to know and it is her duty to tell him. It will only be worse in the long run if she doesn't.
 
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I understand the divorce process is ugly, and the affair and leaving husband are awful as well,.

that is the problem, you do not understand. It came across loud and clear in the lack of empathy in your tone. It is rather clear you did not and possible do not want to put you in her shoes for a second.

What you are really saying is " I know she went through this and this, BUT" , in another word, BIG DEAL?




but it does't set well with me the idea of a woman not telling her not yet ex-husband about a child they conceived, and instead fleeing the country.,.

well, since you are so unempathetic, I don't think I actually care what set well or not set well with you at all.


Does this man, whom she married, have not one redeeming quality that could benefit a child? If not, why'd she marry him?

well, you are not her, you do not know her situation other than the little bit I have shared

as for redeeming quality? well, I am a mother, let say I have one redeeming quality and that is that I care about the homeless and hence is setting a good example for my boys, BUT, I also feed bunch of hateful garbage into their head about their father, which would not only deprive them of a health relationship on both sides, but would have an impact on their emotional development as well as character.

As you can see, in this hypothetical scenario, I do have a good quality, but I would argue it is anything but redeeming.




I could be way off base, and am a bit surprised I'm alone in my position, but I don't think this is a situation where mom gets to evade the father. Things got ugly here but I assume he is not a wife beater, drug addict, or dangerous criminal. She slept with the man not long ago, so I assume he wasn't a full blown ogre until the affair leaked. For better or worst, he is now a father.

I don't think, unless he is a danger to his child, that his legally married spouse has a legal right (or moral right) to hide his child from him.

well, they say a person character is not defined by what they do in the good times, but in the times of trial.

let say I behave in a right manner with my husband right now because I am in love with at them moment, well, it would not say about my character should I behave differently when my feeling for him changed and we are going through a divorce.

danger to the child? well, since when does not beating or killing one's own children became the definition of a good parent or even a good influence on the child's life?

What is more is that I believe being parent is not a right, but a privilege.

We as parents do not own the child as such.

It is like with my boys, I am always aware that they are gifts from God, and with gifts, also comes with responbility and one day I will have answer to God on how I parent them.
 
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well, you are not her, you do not know her situation other than the little bit I have shared
Ok, then why ask for advice and not give the full story, just to throw this line at me when you don't like my reply?

You do not me or my ability to empathize. Dismissing, and even attacking my POV because you do not like it is ridiculous. You came for 'advice' right? Or are you only looking for affirmation? Just because I do not justify a woman hiding and running with her not-yet-ex-husbands child, because he cheated and is in the process of an ugly divorce, does not mean I don't understand.

Being a parent is a right? Hmm, who decides who has that right? There are two parents. Do the parents (mother and father) decide? Or is it the courts? This woman is MARRIED to the father. Who gave her the right to evade his parental rights? I doubt a court will agree but as I said: God's will shall be done. If she evades the father , and the Lord doesn't agree with her choice, it will come out.

Imagine the trouble if she hid and ran with the child, and the dad finds out. Do you think the court, if he fights for rights, will pity mom just because the father cheated and the divorce was ugly. If mother is justified in keeping the child away from father, the court will agree. Hiding and running suggests she is trying to get away with something, why else hide?

An outside objective observer can see this situation from a non-emotional POV. That's a gfreat reason to seek outside POV. The fact that I don't lament how poorly mother-to-be is treated does not mean I lack empathy, it means I am answering a moral/legal question in a rational manner. Feelings shouldn't be included here.

Does cheating and a ugly divorce means that father loses his rights? Sounds vindictive to me if there is not an actual threat to the child.


Here's the best advice: Ask a lawyer.
 
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Of course, seek legal counsel.

But unless the man is abusive, adding another "wrong" to the equation by hiding the pregnancy is not going to make the situation any more right. It is his right to know and it is her duty to tell him. It will only be worse in the long run if she doesn't.

I agree with this.
 
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The fact that I don't lament how poorly mother-to-be is treated does not mean I lack empathy, it means I am answering a moral/legal question in a rational manner. Feelings shouldn't be included here.

Does cheating and a ugly divorce means that father loses his rights? Sounds vindictive to me if there is not an actual threat to the child..

I am not going to play word games with you here.

It is quite clear from the tone of your answer that from the get go you judged her for her decision, and you have minimize her experience throughout your answer. the fact you would use the vindictive is a prove of that

you seem to come to the conclusion in your own head that she is doing this out malice, even though there were nothing in my posts to suggest that. Why you would fill the gaps in such a way? I don't know.

so no, you are not empathetic with her at all.

Like I have said thousands of times before, unlike her ex husband or you for that matter, her ultimate concern is always with her unborn child.

If you choose to not believe it, or choose to invent intentions for her, then that is your choice.

Also I have no problem with honest advice, that is indeed why I came here for, that is why I did not respond to Knee-V the same way I did with your posts.

What does not set well with me is the tone of condemnation permeate throughout your entire post, not to mention you completely and utterly disrespectful with my friend with your invention of her motives as well as throw in the word vindictive for the measure.
 
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She should talk to her lawyer for what to do as far as court goes. But Eventually the father needs to know the truth. I think that no matter what happens a parent should have the right to know they have a child out there. And he can take it from there to be responsible or not. Plus having a child can not always but can change a person and make them get it together a child could be good for the guy. They will have to work out custody and all of that later but the dad should know about his child.
 
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in situation like this, would it fair to advice her to keep it secret for a while, and once the divorce proceeding is over ( which will be soon), that she should follow her original plan to go back to her home country where her family is, have some rest, get some breathing space and have a good think about how she is going to proceed with this?

I mean, even though she is a Christian, I am pretty sure she still have the right to think things through on how can she best protect herself from those human toxic wastes.

In a situation like hers, it might end up in problems for herself if she hides it. If she is expecting support from him, he may try to deny the baby is his because she waited to tell him. That would delay getting any kind of financial support.
 
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