How do you feel about women joining the SEALs?

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briareos

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Center for Military Readiness | Women in Combat

^^ in 2004 this was looked into.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc...f&AD=ADA285676

I pasted these back on page 9. The first is a news blog article, the 2nd is a female doctors finding on the issue, her conclusion was that the typical (even elite) female cannot be trained to perform at the same level as the typical man and because many military tasks are designed for men they would need to be redesigned if they they are to be undertaken be females. The findings in this document were based on military females such as west point cadets and service members, the elite.
 
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If you don't even read it (It's not very long) your simply avoiding and showing that you'd rather argue than check the information and it wasn't the CMR looking into it, it was the the highlest level of our government looking into it, CMR simply did a news article on the findings.

As for the 2nd link... you should def read.
 
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Apparently amazons were quite a fierce class of warriors. Legends of Greece call their clashes with the Greek Infantry, as Amazonomachy.

Personally, i am not surprised.
Infact, I am startled at the naive chauvinism of mankind, thru-out history, to consider womankind "delicate and frail and helpless".

In the jungle world, the female is THE DEADLIEST OF THE SPECIES.

In humans, women excel men by leaps and bounds in the following: resourcefullness, resilence, perserverance, emotional strength, creativity, INTUITION.

Women are able to cross-link data, inference, and sythesize real-world concepts more efficiently on a psychological scale.

Are these not the qualities we want in our forces?!

Women may be different from men BUT they are often superior in several skill sets needed for combative survival - and for survival as a whole.

We have to realize that it is we who need them - And not they who need us.
 
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I heard it was happening and I said, 'If they can do the work let em in.' Then someone said they'd lower the standards women have to go through to pass. After that I rolled my eyes and said, 'No wonder our military is still fighting two third world countries for a longer time than we fought World War II.' What do you folks think?

Women should not be in the military at all. The role of men is to protect women, not to be fellow combatants with them.
 
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... what? Did you really just argue that women are generally superior to men and that we need them to win our battles?

Yes! Absolutely! Technology is not enough. We will need a newly forumlated understanding of the workforce needed to pilot this technology. The rules have changed.
What worked before will fail today and in the future.

Women will win the battles and save humanity.
But of course, men, and youth, will all participate.

God has "ALLOWED" change in everything: the ozone hole, the way we travel, communicate, role reversal in the workplace.

If we dont change we will be left behind.
If we dont change some overseas barbarians, smelling of animal dung will obliterate humanity - (and they will even do it in the name of god-!!!)

Unique challenges neccessitate unique solutions.
 
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A woman wages war by using herself as a human shield (ever seen a killdeer feign death?); a man fights a battle by dying as one of the team (who else needs to tell you?) - battles are the difference to the war, either way; but anyone who dies as a human shield, is considered a man.
 
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hate to say it guys but Special Forces, either Army or Navy are not going to allow women to enter....... trust me, you just will not be able to carry your share of the mission equipment, nor hump it as far and as fast as will be required. Just the facts.
 
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Apparently amazons were quite a fierce class of warriors. Legends of Greece call their clashes with the Greek Infantry, as Amazonomachy.
Quoting unsubstantiated mythology is not a good way to convince people that you know what you are talking about.

Infact, I am startled at the naive chauvinism of mankind, thru-out history, to consider womankind "delicate and frail and helpless".
Perhaps it had something to do with 10,000 years of experience in which, when men and women fought on an equal basis, the women lost.

In the jungle world, the female is THE DEADLIEST OF THE SPECIES.
When we start recruiting snakes and spiders into our military, this might become relevant....

In humans, women excel men by leaps and bounds in the following: resourcefullness, resilence, perserverance, emotional strength, creativity, INTUITION.

Which, of course, is why the majority of military victories, scientific discoveries and exploration have been carried out be men. It is also why all the great philosphers and composers, most of the great artists, architects and engineers.... and even the majority of great writers, have all been men.

You are arguing that the strong have been kept in subjection by the weak, the intelligent, by the dumb.
 
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Apparently amazons were quite a fierce class of warriors. Legends of Greece call their clashes with the Greek Infantry, as Amazonomachy.
Quoting unsubstantiated mythology is not a good way to convince people that you know what you are talking about.

Infact, I am startled at the naive chauvinism of mankind, thru-out history, to consider womankind "delicate and frail and helpless".
Perhaps it had something to do with 10,000 years of experience in which, when men and women fought on an equal basis, the women lost.

In the jungle world, the female is THE DEADLIEST OF THE SPECIES.
When we start recruiting snakes and spiders into our military, this might become relevant....

In humans, women excel men by leaps and bounds in the following: resourcefullness, resilence, perserverance, emotional strength, creativity, INTUITION.

Which, of course, is why the majority of military victories, scientific discoveries and exploration have been carried out be men. It is also why all the great philosphers and composers, most of the great artists, architects and engineers.... and even the majority of great writers, have all been men.

You are arguing that the strong have been kept in subjection by the weak, the intelligent, by the dumb..... Well if the "weak" and "dumb" are the winners, then maybe they are the people we need to fight our wars.
 
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Maybe some of you haven't heard this account, which appeared a year or so ago, in a daily newspaper, about an SAS officer, on the instructions of a politician (who denies it, although the source confirmed it), putting it to some SAS lads that they would probably soon have to have women them in the corps, as fellow SAS soldiers.

One of the lads put up his hand and said, 'Sir. We're not PC. We kill people!'

Mind you, this is not to say that there are not already some very tough girls who've served with distinction in similar sorts of roles in N. Ireland, apparently. And with no concessions to their sex.

My wife always wanted me to sleep on the side of the bed nearest to the door, in case a burglar broke in. But if I was married to one of those girls, I'd ask her to sleep nearest the door!
 
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