Antichrist

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

Just because someone claims to believe in Jesus, doesn't mean they are telling the truth or even good. Even the devil believes that Jesus is the Christ.

Jam 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Mat 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

Luk 6:45 A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

Obama Mocks & Attacks Jesus Christ And The Bible / Video / Obama Is Not A Christian - YouTube

Compare that to what he said about the Muslim call to prayers which says there is no god but allah:

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/0...f=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&

"“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”"

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/03/21/obama-says-palestinians-deserve-independent-state/

Dividing Israel/Dividing Jerusalem - not something a Bible-believer/lover of God would do.

Zech 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

toolite · Mar 21, 2013

So in your words what can ppl do or how can a person know someone is antichrist?
Glory To God

JoyT86 · Mar 21, 2013

BUT, and I by no means am an Obama supporter, BUT... if he has denied Christ yet at the same time ACKNOWLEDGED him, wouldn't that still mean that he couldn't be THE antichrist?

1 John 2:22-23 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22, 23 NIV)

1 John 4:2-3 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

If every spirit that even ACKNOWLEDGES that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and the antichrist is one who ONLY denies Him... Right? I can't post the clips because I am new... But if you look up on YouTube "Obama Jesus Savior" you will see multiple times he has acknowledged Christ. Therefore, I have a very hard time believing that he is THE antichrist. I understand what you are saying though. Even though he claims to know Jesus he may be trying to deceive, and I'm not saying that he's not being deceitful! What I am saying is this: Even simply acknowledging Jesus Christ as Savior would mean John 4:2-3!

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

toolite said:
So in your words what can ppl do or how can a person know someone is antichrist?
Glory To God

By their fruits.

Do their words and actions line up with Scripture? Are they aligned with God? If so, then they are brethren.

God is pro-life. God is moral. God is just. God is Truth. God is love.

Romans 1 describes attributes of people who turn from God.

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

JoyT86 said:
BUT, and I by no means am an Obama supporter, BUT... if he has denied Christ yet at the same time ACKNOWLEDGED him, wouldn't that still mean that he couldn't be THE antichrist?

1 John 2:22-23 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichristdenying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22, 23 NIV)

1 John 4:2-3 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

If every spirit that even ACKNOWLEDGES that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and the antichrist is one who ONLY denies Him... Right? I can't post the clips because I am new... But if you look up on YouTube "Obama Jesus Savior" you will see multiple times he has acknowledged Christ. Therefore, I have a very hard time believing that he is THE antichrist. I understand what you are saying though. Even though he claims to know Jesus he may be trying to deceive, and I'm not saying that he's not being deceitful! What I am saying is this: Even simply acknowledging Jesus Christ as Savior would mean John 4:2-3!

In your mind, is it possible for someone to lie about Jesus being their Lord and Savior?

If Jesus is Obama's Lord and Savior, why does Obama sanction the murder of unborn, even partial birth abortion?

If Jesus is Obama's Lord and Savior, why does Obama mock Jesus' Sermon on the Mount?

If Jesus is Obama's Lord and Savior, why does Obama cover up Jesus' name at Notre Dame where he is giving a speech?

If Jesus is Obama's Lord and Savior, why does Obama support homosexuality?

If Jesus is Obama's Lord and Savior, why does Obama divide the people by race, class and gender?

If Jesus is Obama's Lord and Savior, why does Obama consider conservatives to be "the enemy"?

None of those things are Christ-like but are anti-Christian.

Mat 8:28 ¶ And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

PreachingChristCrucified · Mar 21, 2013

Obama is not the Anti-Christ. This is stupid.

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

Transcript: Obama’s speech in Israel – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Did you see his speech? He just stirred up Gog-magog.

PreachingChristCrucified · Mar 21, 2013

Bethwhite said:
Transcript: Obama’s speech in Israel – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Did you see his speech? He just stirred up Gog-magog.

Right, I'm sure no matter what happens you are going to try to find a way to say that your false prophecies have come true. He didn't stir up anything. This is stupid. I don't even know why I waste my time replying.

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

We'll see.

PreachingChristCrucified · Mar 21, 2013

Bethwhite said:
We'll see.

All we're going to see is that you blew the trumpet for no reason.

Strong in Him · Mar 21, 2013

Bethwhite said:
Just because someone claims to believe in Jesus, doesn't mean they are telling the truth or even good. Even the devil believes that Jesus is the Christ.

It's a shame the other thread closed while I was typing a reply to you, and I can't remember the points you raised or what I said now. Still.
Yes, the devil believes in Jesus, but he doesn't worship him.

It seems to me, from all the posts of yours that I've read - and I'm sure it's not all of them - that you are looking at all current and recent events through "Obama is the antichrist" lenses. Because of this everything takes on new significance for you - the ice statue which is supposed to be a significant distance from the temple, his speeches, the name of his car etc etc.
And you seem also to be questioning his faith on the basis of some of his policies. No, abortion isn't right, pleasant or ideal, but even I can see some occasions when it might be necessary. This doesn't mean he isn't a Christian.

"By their works you will know them"; with respect, that could apply to you and all your posts and threads on this subject, urging us to really understand Dan 12 and telling anyone who "scoffs" at, or questions, your interpretation that they will be dealt with by God.

Happy Easter.

Bethwhite · Mar 21, 2013

Strong in Him said:
It's a shame the other thread closed while I was typing a reply to you, and I can't remember the points you raised or what I said now. Still.
Yes, the devil believes in Jesus, but he doesn't worship him.

It seems to me, from all the posts of yours that I've read - and I'm sure it's not all of them - that you are looking at all current and recent events through "Obama is the antichrist" lenses. Because of this everything takes on new significance for you - the ice statue which is supposed to be a significant distance from the temple, his speeches, the name of his car etc etc.
And you seem also to be questioning his faith on the basis of some of his policies. No, abortion isn't right, pleasant or ideal, but even I can see some occasions when it might be necessary. This doesn't mean he isn't a Christian.

"By their works you will know them"; with respect, that could apply to you and all your posts and threads on this subject, urging us to really understand Dan 12 and telling anyone who "scoffs" at, or questions, your interpretation that they will be dealt with by God.

Happy Easter.

Ice statue?

The antichrist won't worship God either.

Scoffers were prophesied. Mockers are not scoffers. And I only raised issue with the guy who mocked God, not me.

Mock me all you want, I don't care.

I've also said all along, scoff all you want, I don't care about that either - it was prophesied.

I'm not going to stop watching or searching scripture or telling people what I've found either.

So, move past your personal problem with ME and FOCUS on the Word of God.

If you don't agree with what I see, that's on you (general "you"). As long as you acknowledge what the Scripture says and understand it, then if you disagree, that's fine.

The problem with people here is that they reject what the Scripture actually says. I count at least five people here that reject the Prophecy of Revelation outright, and at least 3 more that reject parts of it - specifically Rev 20. Now, that's something that IS a salvation issue according to Jesus Himself in Rev 22.

When Jesus said something, I expect fellow followers of His to believe it, not reject it (because it doesn't line up with what men have taught them) and call me names.

In the end, I really don't care what anyone else thinks except God. He's the One I intend to please, not you or anyone else.

PreachingChristCrucified · Mar 21, 2013

Beth, there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors.

90% of the Christians poled said that Obama is not the Anti-Christ.

Those are overwhelming numbers.

It's good to listen to others sometimes.

Strong in Him · Mar 21, 2013

Bethwhite said:
Ice statue?

It may have been Marantha who said it, but I read somewhere that a statue of Obama had been set up 666 feet/metres (can't remember which) from temple mount, and this was supposed to be proof of something.

Bethwhite said:
The antichrist won't worship God either.

And Obama does.

Bethwhite said:
Scoffers were prophesied. Mockers are not scoffers. And I only raised issue with the guy who mocked God, not me.

Mock me all you want, I don't care.

I'm not mocking you, I'm questioning -
a) your interpretation of Scripture,
b) your certainty that Obama is the antichrist - in view of what Scripture says about antichrists in 1&2 John,
c) the fact that, at times, you have presented this almost as a foregone conclusion, yet still say "if" and "wait and see" and "if nothing happens, we were wrong".

You are sincere about what you believe; I happen to think you are wrong - so do many others.

Bethwhite said:
I've also said all along, scoff all you want, I don't care about that either - it was prophesied.

If you are correct that Scripture prophesied that the Lord will come again on Mar 22nd 2013, then he will. If it's just your (and others') interpretation of various Scriptures then there is a 50/50 chance, I suppose. One way or another, we'll find out tomorrow.

Bethwhite said:
So, move past your personal problem with ME and FOCUS on the Word of God.

I don't have a problem with you, personally - I don't know you. And in this case, I'd rather not focus on the word of God but on the Living Word; the Lord Jesus, my king and Saviour. He said that no one knew the hour of his return and told us all to be sure we were ready.

Manasseh_ · Mar 21, 2013

For every US president elected there's never a shortage of those who accuse them of being the "antichrist" along with certain dictators ,etc................

the problem is deeper.........when their false predictions don't come to pass they themselves have sinned against God by bearing false witness against those they name the "antichrist"....................but you rarely if ever see them repost after the fact admitting they were wrong and most likely not asking God forgiveness for breaking his commandments

don't hold your breath to see any kind of retraction from these self appointed "prophets" ............false accussers, disobedient to God , commandment breakers

Marantha · Mar 21, 2013

PreachingChristCrucified said:
Beth, there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors.

90% of the Christians poled said that Obama is not the Anti-Christ.

Those are overwhelming numbers.

It's good to listen to others sometimes.

And what percentage, Brother, of the Christians in Hitler's Germany in 1937 thought he was AN antichrist?

The answer is obviously, not many, as during his rise to power and dictatorship he was virtually UNCHALLENGED.

The MAJORITY has been wrong CONSISTENTLY throughout history!

Do you know Hitler was TIME magazine's man of the year.....twice?

There certainly is wisdom in listening to a multitude of counselors, but that certainly does not mean they are correct either.

I admire those that cannot be swayed by popular opinion. That is called COURAGE if the intent is honorable. They have been those who have sounded the alarm throughout history.

Even if nothing happens tomorrow, which I still hold fast to, then SOON nonetheless as the signs are overwhelming.

Some of us are unconcerned over being ridiculed, or mocked, or scoffed because after this vapor of a life......that makes no difference whatsoever.

We should look to a reward from God for service; not man.

Intent according to the Commandments of Christ given in Romans 13 are how Christ will look at us. Any sins we commit we have forgiveness for if we merely ask. Intent is everything.

Some on here act as though this is some kind of "false prophecy witch hunt"
"Christians", just like The Inquisition, looking to hang someones head on a post for "false doctrine". Disgusting.

No one here is judge or jury. ONLY CHRIST. That is what the Cross meant.

Is it THAT dangerous to care enough to try to warn?

I think not. I think that IS love. Unfortunately, it will probably be recognized in hindsight. And THAT is the nature of man. They will do what they will.

Glory to God
Marantha

PreachingChristCrucified · Mar 21, 2013

Marantha said:
Even if nothing happens tomorrow, which I still hold fast to, then SOON nonetheless as the signs are overwhelming.

So, when nothing happens tomorrow you are going to change "March 22" to "Soon"?

Marantha said:
Some on here act as though this is some kind of "false prophecy witch hunt"

Some of us take false prophecies very serious. In the O.T. false prophets were to be put to death. So this is no laughing matter.

Marantha said:
Is it THAT dangerous to care enough to try to warn?

The problem is that it's a false alarm, a false prophecy, a false warning.

Antichrist

Regular Member

Regular Member

Regular Member

Regular Member

Well-Known Member

I Love Jesus!

Regular Member

Regular Member

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

Regular Member

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

Regular Member

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

Great is thy faithfulness

Regular Member

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

Great is thy faithfulness

not the evil king Manasseh

Newbie

Lutheran Church Missouri Synod

Similar threads