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That's all nice. But who is called in that passage? It's pretty clear. I'm not sure why you are avoiding what it says.
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That's all nice. But who is called in that passage? It's pretty clear. I'm not sure why you are avoiding what it says.
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It says no one comes to the Father unless drawn, and those drawn will be raised up on the last day.
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Brother, let me give you a small lesson on both English and Greek grammer.
In both languages, the rules are almost identical.
At the beginning of Romans 8:29, there is a word that is used as a conjuction. A conjunction serves to link two or more ideas, things, words, phrases, etc., together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODGA7ssL-6g
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." -Rom. 8:28-29 (KJV)
Why did God "know", have intimate knowledge of, be acqainted with, the "elect"?
"For" (which serves to link verse 28 with 29) they were "called according to his purpose", and his purpose was:
"that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -Eph. 1:4-6 (KJV)
That is why.
God Bless
Till all are one.
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Yes, that is what John 6:44 says. What about John 6:64-65? Sounds to me as a reason for John 6:44?
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Whisper865
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Please stop... What your doing is not fruitful your just making each other angry
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Why don't you guys refer yourselves to my latest post and post something that will help others.
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Well brother, I thank you for simply posting an answer rather than pushing an argument. I do know what a conjunction is, studying this for less than 4 hours on and off while I also study for a trade license I am going for tomorrow is throwing me off a bit. But the entire point of all this is not why God called us, but who God called and why he called them in particular as a person. For example, just for fun lets say God called you, you became born again, your elect, but God did not call me so I can not know what it feels like to love him, it is impossible for me to want to know him or even care that I will never know him. What I am trying to understand is why did God choose you but not me? If infact that is how it works.
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Its all good Whisper. The Holy Spirit already convicted me for getting angry with someone over scripture. I'm done debating and simply seeking an answer... although I have to start concentrating more on my exam for tomorrow and leave this be for a bit.
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Its all good Whisper. The Holy Spirit already convicted me for getting angry with someone over scripture. I'm done debating and simply seeking an answer... although I have to start concentrating more on my exam for tomorrow and leave this be for a bit.
BeeWrangler, have you noticed how tired you can get by really working on a post or reply? I mean when we take it very seriously and wish to dig and present truth or find truth as best we can ascertain it. Of course that means trying to catch our typos, poor grammar, etc. That is hard work and I find it makes me quite tired. Some of my posts may seem to be provocative to some, but they come out of things I've learned in the past and it only helps if we are jarred into thinking or being challenged. I find I study the hardest when I have been challenged and am having a problem defending my view. Over the years I've had to change views. I hope I am at a point where I have no 'major' changes, mainly refinements.
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Well if your trying to help Bee its not working... Try another approach
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I would tell my kids to hug and make up at a time like this. Both of you are Christian men.
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I'm not seeing that as a reason. He pointed out that they didn't believe. That was their natural state. That's why Jesus aid what He said.
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