UK-a government that must fall

mindlight · Mar 16, 2013

Surely its is time for this immoral and incompetent government to fall.

1) They have failed to deal with the economic legacy of the most disastrous Labour administration in history

2) The immoral incompetence they demonstrated over the gay marriage discussions is alone a reason to get rid of them

3) The kowtowing to Europe is costing small and middle sized businesses in Britain the possibility of growth

4) The countries energy policy needs to be updated to better support the countries economy

5) UKIP which holds the key for any Tory victory in 2015 has offered a pact if we get rid of David Cameron. Someone like Phillip Hammond would be much more credible as PM. This is the only realistic way in which the Tories can hope to beat Labour in an election and avoid their vote being split as it was in Eastleigh.

In the face of the damage Labour did we needed radical surgery ( something on the lines of a 10% pay cut for public sector workers - including PMs and doctors). But what we got instead was a PR man.

apocalypto · Mar 18, 2013

If the government falls you would get years and years of lousy labour again.

God save our government.

mindlight · Mar 19, 2013

apocalypto said:
If the government falls you would get years and years of lousy labour again.

God save our government.

Noone with any sense wants a Labour government. But the current leadership of the Tory party must go and will fail at the next election anyway with Cameron as leader.

The Tories need an electoral deal with UKIP to win the next election and that is impossible with Cameron in charge. When UKIP does well in the Europeans the pressure for this will only increase.

apocalypto · Mar 19, 2013

mindlight said:
Noone with any sense wants a Labour government. But the current leadership of the Tory party must go and will fail at the next election anyway with Cameron as leader.

The Tories need an electoral deal with UKIP to win the next election and that is impossible with Cameron in charge. When UKIP does well in the Europeans the pressure for this will only increase.

Forget UKIP. They won't win a seat anywhere.

It's a two horse race- Labour against Conservative, Cameron against the boring guy with the funny nose.

I know where my vote is going. True blue here! AMEN!

Psudopod · Mar 20, 2013

1) They have failed to deal with the economic legacy of the most disastrous Labour administration in history

Internally, things were much better under labour than the previous Tory administration, up until the finacial crisis at least. Don't get me wrong, it was still pretty poor, but better by a tiny margin is still better. Our foreign policy including illegal wars in that period was pretty shocking. But if you look back, the Tories wanted the war just as much as labour, and they thought there was too much regulation and wanted to scale it back, meaning the financial crisis could have been even worse under a tory govenment.

The immoral incompetence they demonstrated over the gay marriage discussions is alone a reason to get rid of them

Yes, it's a terrible thing to give people the freedom to live their lives as they choose, and encorage commitement and fidelity.

The kowtowing to Europe is costing small and middle sized businesses in Britain the possibility of growth

Evidence that it's purely the EU and not our incompentant chancellor? There's plenty that could do with being reformed, but blaming Europe without backing up your argument is foolish.

The countries energy policy needs to be updated to better support the countries economy

I'll agree with this.

UKIP which holds the key for any Tory victory in 2015 has offered a pact if we get rid of David Cameron. Someone like Phillip Hammond would be much more credible as PM. This is the only realistic way in which the Tories can hope to beat Labour in an election and avoid their vote being split as it was in Eastleigh.

Phillp "Trains are becoming a rich man's plaything" Hammond? The one who is doing nothing to address the problems in the MoD and just taking it out on front-line soldiers? That Phillip Hammond?

n the face of the damage Labour did we needed radical surgery ( something on the lines of a 10% pay cut for public sector workers - including PMs and doctors). But what we got instead was a PR man.

So the finacial industry brings the economy to its knees, but it's teachers, doctors, firefighters etc who have to pay the price?

mindlight · Mar 20, 2013

Budget 2013 UK- Seemed like a sound budget to me and concentrating on a society for aspiration is a good thing. It is a shame it came from a government cursed by its commitment to moral degeneracy and perversion and by the debt overhang from Labours last catastrophic management of our economy. But there is no end in sight to the deeper malaise in the UK until the real moral issues are dealt with. The current leadership need to go or undergo deep changes and the culture that spawned them still needs to be reformed.

BBC News - Budget 2013

mindlight · Mar 21, 2013

apocalypto said:
Forget UKIP. They won't win a seat anywhere.

It's a two horse race- Labour against Conservative, Cameron against the boring guy with the funny nose.

I know where my vote is going. True blue here! AMEN!

I would not be so confident that they will not win any seats and I think you are ignoring the depth of antipathy there is towards the current leadership amongst traditional Tory voters. UKIP is not a perfect fit for these voters but it fits better than the current Tory party in many ways. Without an electoral deal with UKIP the Tories will lose the next election and no deal is possible with Cameron still in charge.

mindlight · Mar 21, 2013

Psudopod said:
Internally, things were much better under labour than the previous Tory administration, up until the finacial crisis at least. Don't get me wrong, it was still pretty poor, but better by a tiny margin is still better. Our foreign policy including illegal wars in that period was pretty shocking. But if you look back, the Tories wanted the war just as much as labour, and they thought there was too much regulation and wanted to scale it back, meaning the financial crisis could have been even worse under a tory govenment.

I actually supported the Iraq war and consider to have been succesful overall albeit more costly than anticipated. But it is a good time to revisit my opinion on that war now that some time has past. Think I will start another OP on that.

Labours record was appalling. They were running a major deficit coming into the financial crisis and no the Tories were not fans of the big state economics of Brown and co. They are the ones who must bear responsibility for failing to deal with the housing bubble and the unreal state of affairs in the banks also. Brown really believed he had made recessions obsolescent but his hubris was always the real problem.

Yes, it's a terrible thing to give people the freedom to live their lives as they choose, and encorage commitement and fidelity.

We are never going to agree on this. For me gay marriage is a moral catastrophe for Britain on the scale of the abortion law or fast track divorce. It has poisoned our culture with a legacy that may take a generation to exorcise if at all. It is the perfect proof of the moral bankruptcy and theological shallowness of our current political elite and the reason that these are not fit to govern.

Evidence that it's purely the EU and not our incompentant chancellor? There's plenty that could do with being reformed, but blaming Europe without backing up your argument is foolish.

The chancellor has been doing a fairly good job restoring the economic grounds for business competitiveness and a more export orientated economy. But European initiatives like stealing peoples savings in Cyprus or spending billions shoring up and false economic project like the Euro or ideas about taxes on the City of London or failures to moderate their budget claims and some really silly regulations are not exactly grounds for prosperity here or in Europe.

Phillp "Trains are becoming a rich man's plaything" Hammond? The one who is doing nothing to address the problems in the MoD and just taking it out on front-line soldiers? That Phillip Hammond?

The guy was a success in the real world before he was a success in parliament. He was the one who allowed women to serve on submarines and who along with Liam Fox sorted out the financial nightmare of Labours chaotic management of the MOD. He organised the security for the games with the loan of 5000 troops. The Libyan operation was successfully managed by him. He has had to make some hard decisions in the current climate cutting back troop levels due to the size of his budget relative to his commitments. Personally I would like to see a much larger defence budget but I do not blame him for the cuts but rather Cameron and crew.

Philip Hammond - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So the finacial industry brings the economy to its knees, but it's teachers, doctors, firefighters etc who have to pay the price?

Teachers , doctors and firefighters are a cost that need to be balanced against available resources not people who have an unlimited right to tax payers resources.

Germany went through the same crisis that Britain did and is looking real healthy right now. Brown was borrowing too much coming into the crisis and could have done more the sort out the housing bubble. Uncontrolled immigration and a failure to set the conditions to build more houses, and uncontrolled floods of credit were major factors effecting the price of houses for instance which he failed to confront. In Germany a very different approach has led to a far more healthy situation now.

interpreter · Mar 22, 2013

Great Britain, the third horseman who conquered with economics, will reign for a thousand years.

mindlight · Mar 23, 2013

interpreter said:
Great Britain, the third horseman who conquered with economics, will reign for a thousand years.

Well Britain has had 3 empires in the last 1000 years that qualified as relatively wealthy. The last was indeed the greatest the world has ever seen and for a time made us the richest nation on earth. But then Byzantium lasted a thousand years and was wealthy also and a centre of early Christianity and yet it perished and was displaced by Islam. There is nothing guaranteed about the survival of Britain as an economic power given the contempt of its leadership for biblical standards.

mindlight · Apr 29, 2013

The government is apparently allowing Muslim nurses to get away with not washing on health and safety grounds but wearing a cross was banned on health and safety grounds by a recent European court of human rights ruling.

Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

All Englands Skies · Apr 29, 2013

apocalypto said:
If the government falls you would get years and years of lousy labour again.

God save our government.

Its a Choice between to devils!

Better dead than red and stay true rather than blue!

A choice between either greedy selfish fatcats (the blues) or a bunch who'll sell you out to those who hate us and our Nation (those Reds)

I'd rather retain some backbone and stick with UKIP, Win or lose, I also voted for them before all thats going on in the minute with the so called "protest vote"

All Englands Skies · Apr 29, 2013

mindlight said:
The government is apparently allowing Muslim nurses to get away with not washing on health and safety grounds but wearing a cross was banned on health and safety grounds by a recent European court of human rights ruling.

Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

Never took much notice of the Nurse with the cross case.

But this really shows it up, the hypocrisy is out of this world.

I swear somebody somewhere does this stuff and makes the rules on purpose for a laugh, because its so unbelievable the double standards.

mindlight · Apr 30, 2013

All Englands Skies said:
Its a Choice between to devils!

Better dead than red and stay true rather than blue!

A choice between either greedy selfish fatcats (the blues) or a bunch who'll sell you out to those who hate us and our Nation (those Reds)

I'd rather retain some backbone and stick with UKIP, Win or lose, I also voted for them before all thats going on in the minute with the so called "protest vote"

I still hold some hope for sections of the Tory party but none with the current leadership. I want UKIP to give everybody (Labour also) a bloody nose in these local elections and show the people they do have choice and do not have to go with the dictates of a political establishment that has lost its way in recent years.

I like the stay true rather than blue statement.

interpreter · May 16, 2013

mindlight said:
Well Britain has had 3 empires in the last 1000 years that qualified as relatively wealthy. The last was indeed the greatest the world has ever seen and for a time made us the richest nation on earth. But then Byzantium lasted a thousand years and was wealthy also and a centre of early Christianity and yet it perished and was displaced by Islam. There is nothing guaranteed about the survival of Britain as an economic power given the contempt of its leadership for biblical standards.

Every Christian nation, if it is legit, will reign for a thousand years. Any elected leader who shows contempt for Biblical standards must be voted out of office. Who are you referring to?

Philip C · May 20, 2013

interpreter said:
Every Christian nation, if it is legit, will reign for a thousand years. Any elected leader who shows contempt for Biblical standards must be voted out of office.

Has there ever really been a nation on earth which could be described as truly Christian rather than just Christianised? Frankly I can't think of one myself and I think that is something we will only really see when Jesus returns. As for voting out people who show contempt for Biblical standards I reckon that would leave us with very few politicians at all. Perhaps that's why Paul wrote what he did to Timothy:

"I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior." (1 Timothy 2:1-3).

The Woodsman · May 21, 2013

mindlight said:
2) The immoral incompetence they demonstrated over the gay marriage discussions is alone a reason to get rid of them

Isn't the Monarch appointed by God to rule over the realm? Couldn't the King or Queen, acting as head of the Church of England, simply decree what marriages would be recognized?

I'm sorry, but being an American, I am ignorant of the UK's laws.

Philip C · May 21, 2013

The Woodsman said:
Isn't the Monarch appointed by God to rule over the realm? Couldn't the King or Queen, acting as head of the Church of England, simply decree what marriages would be recognized?

I'm sorry, but being an American, I am ignorant of the UK's laws.

The Queen is both head of state and head of the Church of England. However, both positions are nominal titles - in practice no King or Queen has over-ruled either government or Church for about 300 years. Would be interesting to see it happen though!

Oafman · May 21, 2013

The Woodsman said:
Isn't the Monarch appointed by God to rule over the realm? Couldn't the King or Queen, acting as head of the Church of England, simply decree what marriages would be recognized?

I'm sorry, but being an American, I am ignorant of the UK's laws.

You're absolutely right, the Monarch is appointed by God (apparently).

As God's agent on Earth, when the Queen signs off on marriage equality, it will effectively be God approving it. And as this is more recent confirmation of God's opinion than any other, it will unquestionably mean that God supports equal rights for all his children.

Glad we finally cleared this up.

David Brider · May 21, 2013

apocalypto said:
If the government falls you would get years and years of lousy labour again.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I mean, I'd prefer LibDems, but I'd be happy with Labour, especially seeing as they seem to be heading back to a bit more traditional left of centre values under Milliband.

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