Lunar eclipse from 6th-9th hour, after a 3pm crucifixion, would be 9-12midnight

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...and seen a thread resurrected!

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Oh, I get it. The reason of the resurrection of this treath is because Granpa have entered a link to it. The link is in "Alleged Contradictions in the Bible". He claim that the answer to some of the alleged contradictions can be found in his treath (where we time the crucifixion by 3pm, and a lunar eclipse by daylight)
 
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passover day:
John 19:13-14 (KJV)
13When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Thats noon.
crucified at 3pm of passover day:
Mark 15:25 (KJV)
25And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
this cant mean 9am because that would be before he went to pilate
so it must mean 3 hours after he saw pilate and that would be 3pm.

Jesus was before Pilates some day by noon.
Jesus was crucified some day by 9AM.
Obviously it was not the same day but next day.
 
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3 pm was the third hour after he was condemned at noon.

its a lunar eclipse not a solar eclipse.


Offcourse you are wrong. And it was shown to you all along the treath.
Pay attetion:
Mark wrote his Gospel way before John. When Mark is giving time references, those references are not to the Gospel of John. The references (as in any book) is to the own Gospel.

Before saying "third hour", Mark did only mentio the early morning (day break). We can understand the "third hour" as ne name for 9am; or we can understan it as "3 hours later". In the first case, it means 9am; in the second case it means 3 hours after day break (9am)

Jesus Delivered to Pilate
1And immediately in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.
2And Pilate asked him, Are you the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, You say it.
3And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing.
4And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answer you nothing? behold how many things they witness against you.
5But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marveled.
6Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired.
7And there was one named Barabbas, who lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.
8And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had always done unto them.
9But Pilate answered them, saying, Will you that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
10For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him out of envy.
11But the chief priests stirred up the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.
12And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will you then that I shall do unto him whom you call the King of the Jews?
13And they cried out again, Crucify him.
14Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil has he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.
15And so Pilate, willing to satisfy the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified.
The Soldiers Mock Jesus
16And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they called together the whole band.
17And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head,
18And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!
19And they struck him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshiped him.
20And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.
The Crucifixion of Jesus
21And they compelled one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming in from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
22And they brought him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
23And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.
24And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots for them, what every man should take.
25And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

Now is a good oportunity to admit you have been totally wrong.
 
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HOW JOHN COUNT HOURS IN HIS GOSPEL

39He said unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
The tenth hour will be 4pm

6Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
The sixth hour is noon

52Then inquired he of them the hour when he began to mend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him.
The seventh hour is 1pm

9Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walks in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world.
The day count 12 hours from sunrise to sunset

14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he said unto the Jews, Behold your King!
The sixth hour is noon

THIS IS HOW JOHN COUNT HOURS IN HIS GOSPEL
 
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HOW JOHN COUNT HOURS IN HIS GOSPEL

39He said unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
The tenth hour will be 4pm

6Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.
The sixth hour is noon

52Then inquired he of them the hour when he began to mend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him.
The seventh hour is 1pm

9Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walks in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world.
The day count 12 hours from sunrise to sunset

14And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he said unto the Jews, Behold your King!
The sixth hour is noon

THIS IS HOW JOHN COUNT HOURS IN HIS GOSPEL

I agree here but one must understand this is not speaking of the Passover Seder but the Temple Passover which was arranged to take place following the evening Seder for those travelling and for the poor who could not afford a lamb for the dinner (so it was on the daytime portion of the Passover, following the evening Sedar (as was their tradition)...also a Lunar Eclipse cannot occur in the day time and cause darkness as the earth blocks out the moon not the Sun which still would be shining...And Solar Eclipse is likewise out of the question because a Solar eclipse cannot occur during a full moon...so the naturalist attempt to explain this phenomenon away is hogwash!

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I agree here but one must understand this is not speaking of the Passover Seder but the Temple Passover which was arranged to take place following the evening Seder for those travelling and for the poor who could not afford a lamb for the dinner (so it was on the daytime portion of the Passover, following the evening Sedar (as was their tradition)...

Can you explain litle more? Seder is the preparation that takes place in the 14th. In the 14th the disciples aproached Jesus asking for where to prepare (seder) the Passover. Jesus in replay gived instryctions to Peter and John to do the preparation (seder) of the Passover. Peter and John did the preparation (seder) on the 14th, and coming the night Jesus celebrates the Passover on the 15th.
 
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OP: Mathew, Mark and Luke used the Hebrew clock.
John used the Roman clock (starts at midnight). Your Roman clock is wrong.
When John says 6th Hour, he means 6AM, which coincides with Mathew & Marks' statement of sending Him to Pilate very early in the Morning and Lukes' statement of sending Him to Pilate at "daybreak". By 9AM or Hebrew 3rd Hour, the Lord is crucified.
 
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