Circumcision of the heart

AllanV · Feb 22, 2013

Jer 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.
Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Has any one attempted to break inwardly. The natural mind is encumbered and obscures any possibility of a way to do this. It can not be done deeply enough with out some dedicated time.

But is this covenant of sacrifice still active. This sacrifice is an inner work on the heart and spirit. The natural man has a hard heart and many Christians do as well.
Or has the sacrifice of Jesus covered everyone in their sin and now there is nothing to overcome? Jesus said those who overcome and he must have been talking about the hard heart. Jesus is able to show the way into this changed heart in his nature and anointing in a supernatural Spirit lead transformation.

Once a person is born again they are grafted in and are as Jews, heirs of the same promise to Abraham.

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 22, 2013

What about the Everlasting Covenant?

Genesis 17:7
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Genesis 17:13
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Genesis 17:19
And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Leviticus 24:8
Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the Lord continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.

Numbers 25:13
And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

2 Samuel 23:5
Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

1 Chronicles 16:17
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Psalm 105:10
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Isaiah 24:5
The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Isaiah 55:3
Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Isaiah
For I the Lord love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

Jeremiah 32:40
And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Ezekiel 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.

Ezekiel 37:26
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

Hebrews 13:20
Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

MoreCoffee · Feb 22, 2013

InSpiritInTruth, what about it/them?

We know that the covenant Christians are under is new because Jesus said it was. How can one get beyond Jesus?

Fireinfolding · Feb 22, 2013

The everlasting covenant in Isaiah 55:3 pulls through into Acts where you can see Jesus through them

Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

bornofGod888 · Feb 23, 2013

All these covenants were different from each other. Moreover, the circumcision that is approved by the giver of those covenants is of the kind spoken of by Jeremiah: Circumcise your hearts.

Why did this "bishop" mention the kind of circumcision spoken of by the prophet Jeremiah as if it somehow originated with him or in his day? It didn't. For example, Moses spoke of this same exact circumcision of the heart long before Jeremiah was ever born :

Leviticus 26:40-42 said:
If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespasses which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me; And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity: Then will I remember my convenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land."

Deuteronomy 10:16 said:
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Deuteronomy 30:6 said:
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

This type of circumcision of the heart preceeded Moses as well. Yes, Abraham was circumcised in his heart first and he later received the outward sign of circumcision in the foreskin of his flesh as a token of the same.

Romans 4:9-13 said:
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for his righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. For the promise that he should be heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Paul said that Abraham is the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. As such, Abraham is the father of an inward circumcision of the heart. Yes, Abraham's faith was reckoned to him for righteousness and this is specifically what Paul was referring to:

Genesis 15:4-6 said:
And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Abraham understood that his promised singular "seed" was Jesus Christ and that all of the nations of the world would be blessed in Him. It was his faith in his coming "seed" that was counted unto him for righteousness, just as Abel, if we go back to the first martyr, had saving faith in the same. In fact, Jesus is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8), so God's covenant with/through Christ goes all the way back to before the very foundation of the world. As such, the "New" Covenant is only "New" in the sense that the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mt. Sinai was being fulfilled in Christ. It wasn't "New" in the sense that it hadn't already been in effect in Abraham's day or even before the foundation of the world. Yes, as somebody else already pointed out to you, the law was "added" 430 years after God had already confirmed His covenant with Christ. With this reality before us, again, the "New" Covenant is only "New" in that the Old Covenant was passing away by being fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 23, 2013

MoreCoffee said:
InSpiritInTruth, what about it/them?

We know that the covenant Christians are under is new because Jesus said it was. How can one get beyond Jesus?

How can one get beyond He who is Everlasting?

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The Covenant of faith in the Everlasting. (children of faith are counted for the seed)

MoreCoffee · Feb 24, 2013

It is Christ who is everlasting. He does not change. He causes no darkness. His blood is the blood of the new covenant, not of the covenant made with Abram, nor that made with Moses, nor with David.

InSpiritInTruth said:
How can one get beyond He who is Everlasting?

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The Covenant of faith in the Everlasting. (children of faith are counted for the seed)

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 24, 2013

MoreCoffee said:
It is Christ who is everlasting. He does not change. He causes no darkness. His blood is the blood of the new covenant, not of the covenant made with Abram, nor that made with Moses, nor with David.

Are the Gentiles a new tree all their own, or were they grafted into the natural olive tree that already existed?

Romans 11:17-27
King James Version (KJV)

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

MoreCoffee · Feb 24, 2013

InSpiritInTruth said:
Are the Gentiles a new tree all their own, or were they grafted into the natural olive tree that already existed?

Romans 11:17-27
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It seems to me that you are chasing down rabbit holes that only serve to confuse the rather straight forward statement of Jesus.'Jesus took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to the desciples, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.'

Clearly Abram did not partake of this cup, nor did Moses, nor David. Each had a covenant that was a shadow of the good things to come, namely, 'the greater, the more perfect tent, not made by human hands, that is, not of this created order; and Christ has entered the sanctuary once and for all, taking with him not the blood of goats and bull calves, but his own blood, having won an eternal redemption.'

Moses' Law is singled out for mention in this regard when the scripture says, 'So, since the Law contains no more than a reflection of the good things which were still to come, and no true image of them, it is quite incapable of bringing the worshippers to perfection, by means of the same sacrifices repeatedly offered year after year. '

The passage that you cite is not about covenants but rather it is about promises and about being chosen as a people by God. By mixing up the idea of covenants and peoples the newness of the new covenant is ignored.

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 24, 2013

Abraham, Moses and David drank from the same Spirit. (seed of promise)

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

MoreCoffee · Feb 24, 2013

InSpiritInTruth said:
Abraham, Moses and David drank from the same Spirit. (seed of promise)
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When he received the covenant he was named Abraham. He was renamed later.

Abram, Moses, and David never partook of the holy Eucharist of Christ in their Earthly lives.

InSpiritInTruth · Feb 24, 2013

MoreCoffee said:
When he received the covenant he was named Abraham. He was renamed later.

Abram, Moses, and David never partook of the holy Eucharist of Christ in their Earthly lives.

When you come to understand what that spiritual Bread of Life is, and what that spiritual blood of the Vine is, then you will also come to understand that they did eat and drink from that same Body of Christ.

MoreCoffee · Feb 24, 2013

InSpiritInTruth said:
When ...

Okay.

Lion King · Feb 24, 2013

InSpiritInTruth said:
Abraham, Moses and David drank from the same Spirit. (seed of promise)

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Correct.

For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness. 1 Corinthians 10:1-5

MoreCoffee · Feb 24, 2013

InSpiritInTruth said:
Abraham, Moses and David drank from the same Spirit. (seed of promise)

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The passage is addressed to Christians, specifically the Christians living in the city of Corinth in the first century, probably round the 40s or 50s AD. I see no mention of Abram, Moses, or David being partakers of the gifts mentioned nor of their union in the body on Earth. If your concern is that Abraham, Moses, and David are saved and in heaven and so are now in the church, then that is true enough, but it is also not especially relevant because the same is true of Enoch, Noah, Job, and a great host of patriarchs before Abraham's day.

1 Corinthians 12:1-13 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be uninformed. (2) You know that when you were heathen, you were led astray to dumb idols, however you may have been moved. (3) Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says "Jesus be cursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit.

(4) Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; (5) and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; (6) and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one. (7) To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. (8) To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, (9) to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, (10) to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. (11) All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

(12) For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. (13) For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Noxot · Feb 24, 2013

so Abram, Moses, or David did not or did have the Spirit of God? and what exactly is the difference between the before and after of Jesus Christ? the Holy Spirit was written as feminine in the OT and masculine in the NT, what does that mean?

moses was very wise, the prophets did miracles, abram had faith, david was a prophet, ectect

so what is the difference? MC what do you mean when you said "nor of their union in the body on Earth. " ? what does that mean? seems like if their spirits and souls were united to Christ then so too was their body?

Fireinfolding · Feb 25, 2013

Shows God spake by the prophets

Heb 1:11 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets

David was a prophet and calls him Lord by the Holy Ghost

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus asked the Pharisees bout the Christ, saying whose son is he? They say the son of David, then he asks them

Mark 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son?

They could not tell, but shows what David saw before there

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Shows they prophesied of the salavtion

1Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

These also having the Spirit of Christ in them

1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

And shows how the prophecy came

2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Jesus rebukes his disciples for being slow

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Given these testify of him, he says to them

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Then he gives them the run down

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

And of the scriptures

They are they which testify of me.

As Jesus had said,

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Shows them persuading others concerning Jesus Christ was both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets which testify of him. Pretty cool stuff really when you find them and connect them aright, because its like, wow! His words rock just as assuredly as He does.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 29, 2013

Circumcision of the heart

Nanopants said:
Ahah! One of my favorite subjects ;]

Mine too

Jer 4:4
Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your hearts,
You men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem,
Lest My fury come forth like fire and burn so that no one can quench [it],
because of the evil of your doings."

Act 7:51
"Ye stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears,
ye always resist the Holy Spirit, as your fathers did, so do ye.

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Circumcision of the heart

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