Does God create handicaps

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Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind

That all depends on whether you mean spiritually deaf and blind or physically. Adam wasn't handicapped in those ways. I think God allowed physical handicaps as a result of the fall. If you recall the book of Genesis, after He saw His entire creation, it was good. Imperfections came later.
 
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John 9:2-3
His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.


You see handicap is not a bad thing.


Even True Christians have a "handicap" like they don't partake in many worldly and cultural traditions and many things the rest of the world does. As such they end up with only few friends, and scarce opportunities for worldly success.


Of course it's not really a handicap even those real handicaps. The world and the flesh counts for nothing. Only the Spirit matters. So what if you miss everything people of the world has when the reward is eternal life with God!
 
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John 9:2-3
His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 “Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him.


You see handicap is not a bad thing.


Even True Christians have a "handicap" like they don't partake in many worldly and cultural traditions and many things the rest of the world does. As such they end up with only few friends, and scarce opportunities for worldly success.


Of course it's not really a handicap even those real handicaps. The world and the flesh counts for nothing. Only the Spirit matters. So what if you miss everything people of the world has when the reward is eternal life with God!

“but that the works of God should be revealed in him."

In my opinion this is the worst selection in the NT. Here again, just as in Job, God shows himself to be completely insensitive to the suffering of humans if through them he can satisfy his own personal goals and desires.

Wow, that's so much better! So he wasn't born blind because his parents sinned but because BibleGod needed someone disabled so that he (BibleGod) could show off ... after having made that poor guy be blind for all his life up to that point ... *eyesroll*

That is about Exodus 34:7 which says sins are punished for 3 lifetimes and blessings follow 1000.
Children are not punished for parents sins (Ezekiel 18) so it must be reincarnation. Karma
 
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That is about Exodus 34:7 which says sins are punished for 3 lifetimes and blessings follow 1000.
Children are not punished for parents sins (Ezekiel 18) so it must be reincarnation. Karma

No, you have taken the verse out of context.

It has nothing to do with reincarnations. The punishment has nothing to do with getting handicaps, nor being born in poverty, nor any adversity.

The punishment has to do with one's salvation. Salvation will be made obscured to those who practice iniquity down to their fourth generations down the line.

Do you observe those people who get rich through exploitation of others, particularly hard, and cheap labor, how their thoughts are crowded with making money, nothing else? They are not saved. They pass this to their next generations who born in abundance, desperately hangs on to their beloved wealth so does the same sin their fathers did. Salvation is made obscured to them through wealth. Wealth is actually being used to curse them!

In my opinion this is the worst selection in the NT

The verses I mentioned provides a striking conflict to your belief on reincarnation.

I'm not surprised at your reaction but the Truth must prevail.

Even if your hypothesis is correct, you might not want to celebrate about it, especially if you are doing quite well in life now, because poverty awaits you in the next life;)
 
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Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 say all evil come only from God as a punishment for sin.

What verses in those two chapters do you see this?

Leviticus 21:17-21 God said any priest with a bodily defect could not serve in the Temple.

"But it was especially requisite that comely men should be chosen to minister about holy things, for the sake of the people, who were apt to judge according to outward appearance, and to think meanly of the service, how honourable soever it was made by the divine institution, of those that performed it looked despicably or went about it awkwardly. This provision God made for the preserving of the reputation of his altar, that it might not at any time fall under contempt."

The above is one of the better reasonings I have found, as to why this law was in place...
 
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My opinion is no.

I am a firm believer in free will.

Because of free will, someone makes a choice that can echo through the ages. Take for example incest:

A brother and sister mate, have offspring, and their DNA is corrupted because of the related bloodlines. That DNA strand will forever be passed down through descendants, and has long been proven to cause defects. Someone who is blind, deaf, etc. that is born today, could be suffering because of a choice made long ago, somewhere back in their ancestry.

Drugs and alcohol also have similar affects.
 
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In John 5 Jesus healed a paralyzed man who had been disabled for thirty-eight years. When Jesus found the man later at the temple, He said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you" (John 5: 14). The text infers, that the man's disability was caused by personal sin. We can be sure about the clear meaning of Christ's warning; namely, that if he continued sinning, he would contract a condition worse than his lameness. Here, as a future possibility, Jesus definitely and specifically connected personal sin in this man's life with a disability.


There cases of God's direct intervention causing such conditions as blindness in the Syrian troops (2 Kings 6:18), in Saul of Tarsus (Acts 9:8), in Elymas the sorcerer (Acts 13:11); and in the inability to speak as with Ezekiel (Ezekiel 3:26, 24:27,33:22), Daniel (Daniel 10:15), and Zechariah, father of John the Baptist (Luke 1:20).
 
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What verses in those two chapters do you see this?

"But it was especially requisite that comely men should be chosen to minister about holy things, for the sake of the people, who were apt to judge according to outward appearance, and to think meanly of the service, how honourable soever it was made by the divine institution, of those that performed it looked despicably or went about it awkwardly. This provision God made for the preserving of the reputation of his altar, that it might not at any time fall under contempt."

The above is one of the better reasonings I have found, as to why this law was in place...

That's interesting. Here is what the Bible says about the Savior:

For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isaiah 53:2

It doesn't say that Jesus was handicapped or ugly, but He wasn't handsome.
 
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In John 5 Jesus healed a paralyzed man who had been disabled for thirty-eight years. When Jesus found the man later at the temple, He said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you" (John 5: 14). The text infers, that the man's disability was caused by personal sin. We can be sure about the clear meaning of Christ's warning; namely, that if he continued sinning, he would contract a condition worse than his lameness. Here, as a future possibility, Jesus definitely and specifically connected personal sin in this man's life with a disability.


There cases of God's direct intervention causing such conditions as blindness in the Syrian troops (2 Kings 6:18), in Saul of Tarsus (Acts 9:8), in Elymas the sorcerer (Acts 13:11); and in the inability to speak as with Ezekiel (Ezekiel 3:26, 24:27,33:22), Daniel (Daniel 10:15), and Zechariah, father of John the Baptist (Luke 1:20).

Men are often ignorant of the larger picture.
 
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funtimes said:
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind

I think that's a being who takes pride in evil.

A good Lord gives sight, speech, hearing, taste, and feeling.

It's obvious the architect of the carnal is not good to everyone. Flesh counts for nothing, it's a prison of death and torment.

Spirit is God, not flesh IMO.
 
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I think that's a being who takes pride in evil.

A good Lord gives sight, speech, hearing, taste, and feeling.

It's obvious the architect of the carnal is not good to everyone. Flesh counts for nothing, it's a prison of death and torment.

Spirit is God, not flesh IMO.
There are no coincidences, Deuteronomy 5:9-10 says karma will tell if you are born without arms and legs or Tiger Woods.
 
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If God knew us before we were born, then he knows what type of physical body to put us in (or if we really need to physically live at all). I have faith that he understands and that I don't. And I trust him, for in the end, his reason will be better than what I hear from men.
 
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If God knew us before we were born, then he knows what type of physical body to put us in (or if we really need to physically live at all). I have faith that he understands and that I don't. And I trust him, for in the end, his reason will be better than what I hear from men.

The reason God knows how to reward us, good or bad, is Malachi 3:16 says God is keeping a Book of all our deeds.
 
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Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 say all evil come only from God as a punishment for sin.

You have taken it in the wrong context.

We don't see many people suddenly have wild animals invading their lot, devouring their children in the middle of a big city, don't we??

Those blessings and curses in that case, is collective in application, particularly addressed to the nation of Israel.

Evidence also suggests it applies to any nation. Many apparently successful ancient cities now lie in ruins, reclaimed by the wild... ...Obviously, if they have not been cursed with disasters, calamities, invasions, they would still be standing today.

Leviticus 21:17-21 God said any priest with a bodily defect could not serve in the Temple.

And those with defects would cry a river about it? NO. It is far more valuable to be priests of God and Christ, in the life after, in immortality, see below.

Revelations 20:4;6
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

It destroys your idea of repeated reincarnations.
 
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You have taken it in the wrong context.

We don't see many people suddenly have wild animals invading their lot, devouring their children in the middle of a big city, don't we??

Those blessings and curses in that case, is collective in application, particularly addressed to the nation of Israel.

Evidence also suggests it applies to any nation. Many apparently successful ancient cities now lie in ruins, reclaimed by the wild... ...Obviously, if they have not been cursed with disasters, calamities, invasions, they would still be standing today.



And those with defects would cry a river about it? NO. It is far more valuable to be priests of God and Christ, in the life after, in immortality, see below.

Revelations 20:4;6
I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

It destroys your idea of repeated reincarnations.

Exodus 20:5-6 says we pay for sins for three lifetimes and blessing for 1000. That is reincarnation!
 
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My heart is louder than Deuteronomy or anything else.

I'm afraid I'll have to go with your sarcasm and twisted humor!

It seems impossible to reason with anyone like funtimes who bends the context of the scriptures to suit their vanity.

Perhaps, we should all agree to let this thread die on itself.
 
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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
 
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