Originally posted by EveOfGrace
the son of Mary? Mary was a woman. doesnt it go a little farther than that?
I'm not sure what you mean. Can't a woman have a son? She was the one that God chose to bear His Son. He could have chosen anyone, but Mary had the right credentials.
Luke 1:28 - And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 - And when she saw [him], she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 - And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 - And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 - He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 - And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 - Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
First you said LOGOS means a word, uttered by a LIVING voice. Then you say its a plan? And because the 'plan' was not physical it was then not active?[/B]
Is God not LIVING? You forgot the rest of what I posted.
Word is translated from LOGOS. LOGOS - a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea.
It is a word that embodies a
concetption or
idea.
The Plan was active, it's just that the part that Jesus has in that plan did not happen until he was born. A plan is made up of many parts. Just because one part has not happened yet, doen't mean that the whole plan is not active.
What is this plan that we've been speaking about? It's God's plan of salvation for man to remove the sin that Adam caused in the Garden of Eden. God had the plan from the very beginning. God knows the beginning from the end.
So the old testament prophets were speaking of something inactive. Doesnt it say, the Logos WAS God and with God? Was God then inactive because He is Spirit rather than a physical manifestation? Even if you use the word 'plan', it still sais, and the Plan was with God and the Plan was God. Either way, Word, Logos, Plan, it still sais WAS GOD. And the word, logos, plan, was MADE FLESH and dwelt among us. You said God created Jesus in the womb of Mary. But God sais that He already WAS, in the beginning. And all things were made through Him. Does that sound inactive? WAS GOD, and MADE flesh.
Jesus
IS the "Word. Logos, Plan"
made flesh. When he was born, the plan of salvation came one more step towards being complete. When a building is built, someone has an idea about what they want to build. Until a blueprint, or building plan, is drawn, it is just an idea in someone's mind. When a plan is drawn, the idea becomes embodied.
It's so simple. Why can't you see it.
Christ does mean 'annointed'. Jesus means "Jehovah is salvation"
Have you ever looked up the meaning of the words "Jeremiah" or Elijah"? "Elijah" means
God Himself , and the word "Jeremiah" means the
High God. Where these men God? No they were named those names so that the people would know who they were speaking for.
How is Jehovah salvation when its the name of Jesus by which man is saved? Because Jesus IS Jehovah our salvation. Look at what Edward posted. God is our Savior. Jesus is our Savior. They are one. My name is Eve. I am a mother, i am also a daughter, but still one ME.
Let's say a boat is sinking and they call the Coast Guard to come and help them. The Coast Guard radio person then calls the ship that is closest to the sinking boat. The ship arrives and safely gets the people off of the boat. Now, who is the saviour in this instance? Well, it is several people. It is the Coast Guard radio person, but it is also the people on the rescue ship. Why is that? The radio person can't go to save the sinking boat because of where they are, so they sent their representative to get the job done. Both parties are the saviours of the people in the sinking boat.
One in our beliefs and that is all that unifies us? What goal are we working toward that makes us one? We are ONE BODY. What? This must really be hard for you if you see Jesus as separate from God.
SO now you say that Jesus is seperate from God. I thought you believed that he was God the son?
If Mary as Jesus mother, passed on to Him her fleshly nature, which makes man a man, then what did Jehovah as Jesus Father, pass on to Him? His Godly nature, which makes God God. Is it really so hard to understand?
So from what I understand you to say, is that Jesus has God's DNA? The power of God overshadowed Mary and caused Mary to conceive. Think of it like this: Jesus was like a test tube baby. Mary conceived not by the normal means of her egg being fertilized by a male, but by the power of God causing it to happen. Just like in Genesis, God spoke the word and it was.