In the "Why did God afflict Job?" thread poster liferiver made the following comment:
and it struck me as odd...and somewhat true.
We in WoF teach (does anyone else?) that when Adam fell, Satan obtained "Adam's lease" as the god of this world. (Now I've never heard a WoF preacher use the term "Adam's lease," but the concept of this is taught.) The subject taught has the following flavor: Adam fell due to the lies of Satan and Satan thus gained rule in this earth; God was locked out and had to be invited back in by a man (Abraham) to legally do anything here.
I have problem's with this whole thing. If God was locked out, then how did he curse the ground and chase man out of the garden? How did he bring on the flood? And I don't see an invite from Abraham, rather God came to him.
But liferiver's question/point brings up another issue. Some say that Job's story is one of the oldest in the Bible (regardless of the book's placement) and some say that Job is actually earlier than Abraham. If this be true (or actually any timeline) how could God have a hedge that Satan must abide by in this earth.
The works of Satan were defeated at the cross. He is subject to us, the born again believer's. We have authority over him (see Luke 10:19).
The question here is many-fold. Someone review for me the fall and what transfer of power occurred, if any. I'm wondering now why Satan is subdued prior to the cross in Job. And he really isn't mentioned much in the Old Testament anyway.
I want to put forth that Satan gained nothing in the fall, other than dragging man down from perfection into the curse. He tried to kill mankind. I would say that Satan always had the possibility of action that he has today: to kill, steal and destroy by using thoughts, ideas and suggestions -- trying to get man to turn from God's will and path and to embrace elements of the curse. And he didn't need Adam's fall to obtain this ability, in fact he used it get man to fall.
Of course the difference between the Old and the New covenants is our place in Christ. In the old it was a works driven thing: follow the law. In the new, Jesus imputes His righteousness to us, having been made sin for us He paid the price that we would have had to pay for our sin. He made us acceptable before Father God.
So what could the devil do in the Old Testament that he can't do now? Examples please.
In essence, I want to review the authority of the believer; and I want to compare it to the old testament saints.
If, on the other hand, if we argue by virtue of Satan having God's given authority (which was abdicated by Adam when he fell), he can do whatever he likes, then I think the story will not turn.
We in WoF teach (does anyone else?) that when Adam fell, Satan obtained "Adam's lease" as the god of this world. (Now I've never heard a WoF preacher use the term "Adam's lease," but the concept of this is taught.) The subject taught has the following flavor: Adam fell due to the lies of Satan and Satan thus gained rule in this earth; God was locked out and had to be invited back in by a man (Abraham) to legally do anything here.
I have problem's with this whole thing. If God was locked out, then how did he curse the ground and chase man out of the garden? How did he bring on the flood? And I don't see an invite from Abraham, rather God came to him.
But liferiver's question/point brings up another issue. Some say that Job's story is one of the oldest in the Bible (regardless of the book's placement) and some say that Job is actually earlier than Abraham. If this be true (or actually any timeline) how could God have a hedge that Satan must abide by in this earth.
The works of Satan were defeated at the cross. He is subject to us, the born again believer's. We have authority over him (see Luke 10:19).
The question here is many-fold. Someone review for me the fall and what transfer of power occurred, if any. I'm wondering now why Satan is subdued prior to the cross in Job. And he really isn't mentioned much in the Old Testament anyway.
I want to put forth that Satan gained nothing in the fall, other than dragging man down from perfection into the curse. He tried to kill mankind. I would say that Satan always had the possibility of action that he has today: to kill, steal and destroy by using thoughts, ideas and suggestions -- trying to get man to turn from God's will and path and to embrace elements of the curse. And he didn't need Adam's fall to obtain this ability, in fact he used it get man to fall.
Of course the difference between the Old and the New covenants is our place in Christ. In the old it was a works driven thing: follow the law. In the new, Jesus imputes His righteousness to us, having been made sin for us He paid the price that we would have had to pay for our sin. He made us acceptable before Father God.
So what could the devil do in the Old Testament that he can't do now? Examples please.
In essence, I want to review the authority of the believer; and I want to compare it to the old testament saints.
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