One of Bishop Paprocki's Boys All Tied Up
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You know, we have absolutely no idea why he was in that situation. But what I do know is the OP, through her own added inuendo added to the inuendo in the story by adding the picture. This appears to be nothing more than a slam against the priesthood plain and simple.
For all we know, he was putting himself through an experience of this type of imprisonment to share in the sufferings of those so restrained unjustly.
For this article to be repeated here, then spun again to further imply it was something sexual is, imho, frankly abhorrent and is not the type of material that should be found on a Catholic forum.
For all we know, he was putting himself through an experience of this type of imprisonment to share in the sufferings of those so restrained unjustly.
For this article to be repeated here, then spun again to further imply it was something sexual is, imho, frankly abhorrent and is not the type of material that should be found on a Catholic forum.
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StThomasMore
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that is true.
At the same time there needs to be stricter screening regarding new priests coming in. Especially regarding question with sexual orientation, or if the priest has any hidden sexual deviancy, pedophilia, or fetishes.
For priests with these problems already in parishes. They need to go into medical treatment and be given medications that kill off the sex drive. Counseling does not do enough in these cases from what I have studied. In real bad cases something like castration would be much better than prison because castration will remove ones sex drive. With prison the sex drive is still there and if anything much more higher than pent up than before.
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TheOtherHockeyMom
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Whoa....you're recommending chemically castrating priests based on desires or orientation even if they have never committed a crime?
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Trust me, there is strict screening on seminarians. I've been poked and prodded by so many MDs, DOs, and PhDs that I could probably spell any word in the English language by re-arranging the letters of their names. The 5th Edition of the Program for Priestly Formation is also an absolute gem in helping men to come to a comfortable and affectively mature understanding and integration of their sexuality, and end-of-year oral examinations in the Seminaries (called for in the PPF) are also very helpful and effective.
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And Bishop Paprocki recently wrote one of the most eloquent and timely letters on the defence of marriage that I've ever read.
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Kate has told me some doozies already! And yes, I've heard the "light bulb" and "bottle" tales as well! LOL...you'll be happy to know that bizarre behavior is pretty common on both sides of the border! LOL
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He who is without sin cast the first stone ....
This is quite over the top imho, and contrary to Catholic teaching.
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StThomasMore
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No, but for the ones committing crime or extreme sexual deviancy I think chemical castration is the most effective for them for these cases, much more than jail or counseling.
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Doing this to himself could have been curiosity.
No one else was involved.
He may have left because of embarrassment.
Was he wondering what it would be like [sans deviancy]? Perhaps.
It would be embarrassing for anyone who left curiosity get to them. If he put the gag on first then the cuffs thinking he could get out - but realized they went on to tight - and was in trouble - he sought what he felt was discreet assistance.
As far as i know HIPAA includes anyone involved in emergency of health issues.
Names cannot be named.
What i wonder is why a dispatcher is not held accountable to HIPAA.
No one else was involved.
He may have left because of embarrassment.
Was he wondering what it would be like [sans deviancy]? Perhaps.
It would be embarrassing for anyone who left curiosity get to them. If he put the gag on first then the cuffs thinking he could get out - but realized they went on to tight - and was in trouble - he sought what he felt was discreet assistance.
As far as i know HIPAA includes anyone involved in emergency of health issues.
Names cannot be named.
What i wonder is why a dispatcher is not held accountable to HIPAA.
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The HIPAA Privacy Rule provides federal protections for personal health information held by covered entities and gives patients an array of rights with respect to that information. At the same time, the Privacy Rule is balanced so that it permits the disclosure of personal health information needed for patient care and other important purposes.
Understanding Health Information Privacy
Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12
“Individually identifiable health information” is information, including demographic data, that relates to:
The Privacy Rule excludes from protected health information employment records that a covered entity maintains in its capacity as an employer and education and certain other records subject to, or defined in, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, 20 U.S.C. §1232g.
Summary of the HIPAA Privacy Rule
I consider an emergency worker/dispatcher to be or should be part of the privacy act.
I wonder why they are excluded from identification of an individual?
Understanding Health Information Privacy
Protected Health Information. The Privacy Rule protects all "individually identifiable health information" held or transmitted by a covered entity or its business associate, in any form or media, whether electronic, paper, or oral. The Privacy Rule calls this information "protected health information (PHI)."12
“Individually identifiable health information” is information, including demographic data, that relates to:
- the individual’s past, present or future physical or mental health or condition,
- the provision of health care to the individual, or
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The Privacy Rule excludes from protected health information employment records that a covered entity maintains in its capacity as an employer and education and certain other records subject to, or defined in, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, 20 U.S.C. §1232g.
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I consider an emergency worker/dispatcher to be or should be part of the privacy act.
I wonder why they are excluded from identification of an individual?
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MikeK
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Being stuck in a ball gag and handcuffs is not the sort of "health issue" that hippa protects us from. This was a call for police assistance, not EMTs. If your house burns down, you'll be in the paper. If you lock your keys in your car, you'll be in the paper (if it's a rinky-dink paper). If you need help getting out of a ball gag and handcuffs that you used on yourself, you're gonna be in the paper.
It speak volumes about your character, WA, that you are willing to give this man the benefit of the doubt even though the circumstantial evidence that he was involved in some sort of sexual deviancy is so strong, yet you buy into conspiracy theories about your political opponents with far less, and often no, evidence.
The scandal here is not that information that is readily available over a police scanner was made available to the public.
It speak volumes about your character, WA, that you are willing to give this man the benefit of the doubt even though the circumstantial evidence that he was involved in some sort of sexual deviancy is so strong, yet you buy into conspiracy theories about your political opponents with far less, and often no, evidence.
The scandal here is not that information that is readily available over a police scanner was made available to the public.
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Im going to need help getting out before this becomes a medical emergency, Father Tom Donovan told a dispatcher who sounds a bit incredulous during the Nov. 28 call.
Reason: Likely asphyxiation.
Reason, his oxygen levels were decreasing - complications arising from insufficient respiration.
sources say that police discovered some sort of gag on the priest when they arrived.
Question: Where is the source you have obtained that it was a ball gag - and at what point does it prove the priest was a cooperative participant?
Its not clear exactly how he ended up in handcuffs or why he feared a medical emergency.
No one was given any information at how the incident occurred - but it is alleged in this trial by forum that it was definitely his choice and an outset to his own deviancy.
Priest Handcuffed In Bondage Mask Calls Police [#THEBIGDUMMYFILES]
When your priest who speaks out against homosexuality and then get caught with a ball gag and handcuffs.
Even this action does not necessarily mean it is homosexual in nature. Heterosexual females can account for some deviancy - or if anyone did this at all.
Or if someone did this to cause him embarrassment...it unlikely anyone will know.
And as speculative as this is in nature - it is just as likely he is innocent of self infliction or involvement.
Why if having any relations was he left there like that?
It would seem, without conclusive evidence of any act being witnessed, as in the priest was not considered nude - or reported to have marks on him when the police showed up - that this entire situation could have been a troubled person who did this.
And plausible an explanation as any other.
If per chance the priest feels prudence is best for the soul of the perpetrator - if indeed he even knew the perpetrator outside of being attacked - he felt it best to take a leave.
Without evidence besides an embarrassing or even a traumatic experience at hand - all the speculation in here - the trial by forum is perverse and without anything in which to back up the hypothesis is mind boggling - and annoying.
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MikeK
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You are aware that the man could speak, yes?
Fair enbough, maybe it was another type of gag. I'm not really up on my gags, to be honest.
‘(I was) playing with them and I need help getting out,’
Oh, it's quite clear. He didn't request a leave to work through his issues immediately after the incident because he was attacked, WA.
Has anyone stated otherwise?
They would know because he would bring charges against them. A good Priest would not allow such an attack to go unreported, leaving a dangerous predator on the loose.
Wait, the guy says he did it himself, the police make no mention of beoing on the look-out for a criminal, and the Priest was the only one present, clearly "it is just as likely he is innocent of self infliction or involvement."
wat.
Oh, it certainly was a troubled person who did this. Thankfully, he's on leave an working through his issues.
Reading things like this makes me concerned for your well-being. The guy says that he did it himself while he was "playing", no charges are filed, and you immediately suspect foul play as being the most likely scenerio.
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Dont be 'concerned'... and not necessarily if he was counseling a troubled person that was confessing.
Secondly, he was concerned it could become a medical emergency - possible if his nose was stuffed.
Third - the speculations in this thread seem to suggest he had help.
Furthermore; the 'reports' tho biased suggest he is against same sex marriage but then is caught like this - appears to have put him on trial.
Forth - if the troubled person did it solely to embarrass him - during a confession - or even perhaps luring the priest into believing he would show him what he has done to himself and assurance he would undo said tying - the priest may not feel he was going to be a criminal but only did it to embarrass him.
We dont know the scenerio. [As of yet] but the posts in here have incriminated him. The media has incriminated him.
And this is why the Commandment regarding 'a man's good name' caused him to take leave.
Obviously the media had a field day - and incriminated him.
And i see a trial by forum/media/world that he is guilty of perversion without any record to suggest that's the whole story.
It was when things came to light - as it does for those in the priesthood - that he felt it required a leave so as to keep his own witness from being dramatically marred.
Frankly the story doesnt even matter - speculation caused scandal enough. IF the priest was being scandalous it behooves him via prudence to avoid making things worse for the priesthood. Thats called experience with the media.
Its unlikely he will return to that Church. Its unlikely it will be anytime soon he will be preaching in any manner for the public until the story ends or is forgotten.
If by some ill advised idea he decided to be so careless as to take curiosity so far as he did - and let himself get into a situation he couldnt control - and needed help - he is wise enough to know that even if the situation behind the action was innocent at first - it wouldnt be met with understanding in the world stage.
Secondly, he was concerned it could become a medical emergency - possible if his nose was stuffed.
Third - the speculations in this thread seem to suggest he had help.
Furthermore; the 'reports' tho biased suggest he is against same sex marriage but then is caught like this - appears to have put him on trial.
Forth - if the troubled person did it solely to embarrass him - during a confession - or even perhaps luring the priest into believing he would show him what he has done to himself and assurance he would undo said tying - the priest may not feel he was going to be a criminal but only did it to embarrass him.
We dont know the scenerio. [As of yet] but the posts in here have incriminated him. The media has incriminated him.
And this is why the Commandment regarding 'a man's good name' caused him to take leave.
Obviously the media had a field day - and incriminated him.
And i see a trial by forum/media/world that he is guilty of perversion without any record to suggest that's the whole story.
It was when things came to light - as it does for those in the priesthood - that he felt it required a leave so as to keep his own witness from being dramatically marred.
Frankly the story doesnt even matter - speculation caused scandal enough. IF the priest was being scandalous it behooves him via prudence to avoid making things worse for the priesthood. Thats called experience with the media.
Its unlikely he will return to that Church. Its unlikely it will be anytime soon he will be preaching in any manner for the public until the story ends or is forgotten.
If by some ill advised idea he decided to be so careless as to take curiosity so far as he did - and let himself get into a situation he couldnt control - and needed help - he is wise enough to know that even if the situation behind the action was innocent at first - it wouldnt be met with understanding in the world stage.
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MikeK
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what is this in reference to? Are you suggesting that the Prist was attacked, knows his attacker, refuses to report his attacker thereby putting the public at risk, and has sought a leave of absence to work on unrelated personal problems?
If you can speak, you can breathe. He was panicking, likely at least partially because he knew he was about to be found out, but he was not in danger.
Who is speculating that? Please be specific. HE seai that he put himself into the cuffs and gag, barring evidence to the contrary I believe him.
He isn't on trial. The facts are rather clear, based on what he told the dispatcher.
Okay, this has just gone past crazy. Are you really suggesting that a fake penitent convinced a Priest to let him bound and gag him, so as to illustrate what he was doing to himself? Really?
We know what the Priest has said, and we know that he immediately requested leave in the aftermath.
I don;t think anyone has suggested that he's guilty of a crime.
wat.
If he was the victim of some sadist who attacked him and is on the loose, he has a moral duty to alert the authorities. The Church has been down this road before, I'm pretty sure that Priests are trained to report sex-crimes now, and bounding and gagging a man in fetish gear againnst his will is most certainly a sex crime.
Speculation hasn't caused the scandal, a Priest in bondage gear caused the scandal. If he is an attack victim, he can stop the scandal right hear by correcting the lie he told the dispatcher about putting himself into said gear and outing his attacker.
...especially if he offered no explanation.
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