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in romans, paul talks about that.
he says if you cant know god then if you worship your god faithfully and do what is right you will still be saved.
people like in asia and the native americans that never couldve heard of God couldnt be judged for not worshipping him. for that God looks at how they live if they worship there god right and follows those laws then he still saves him
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Yes, except God does give everyone a chance to hear the gospel. 1 Peter 3 & 4 contain proof Christ preached to the dead who never heard the gospel. Today there's reports of the same kind of scriptural intervention by God to reach the unreachable. Just proves how good God is. His will is that none should perish without having a chance to accept or reject Christ.
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So works are what God looks at to save people who have not heard the gospel? Then what is the benefit of evangelizing?
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So then Jesus wasn't truthful when He said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man comes to the Father but by Me"? That would have to be the logical conclusion of what you're saying here.
You are, in essence, saying that God will give credit for worship of other deities if that's all they knew. Don't you see a problem with that?
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So, would you be satisfied if He sent you the other direction? Would you still love Him and think predestination is fair if you ended up with the goats?
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It would be fair and satisfy divine justice. As a goat I was and I would be a rebel against Him.
I highlighted a part of your post that does not make sense to me. Do you expect sinners to love God?
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that is NOT force is that person not allowing us to die if we choose to? If you say give me your money OR I will shoot you I could CHOOSE to die by not giving you the money OR I could CHOOSE to live by giving him the money. It is like if I said to you deny Christ or I will shoot you you could recant and live or refuse to recant and die. Force would be coming up and shooting someone without giving them a choice or doing something without giving them a choice. Even in prison, an inmate has a choice no matter how many shakedowns officers do no matter what sentence they oppose an inmate's actions are what determines how they are treated they force NOTHING Directly.
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so are you saying that God does not judge us based on what we know?
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i think there will be different levels of punishment as in the west were there is free acsess to the gospel as opposed to north Korea for instance, i think Romans 1 is saying that there is enough evidense in creation to damn a man but not enough to save a man thats were the gospel comes in
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Every man (regenerate and unregenerate) will be judged by their works, deeds, and way of life. Man will not be judged by his beliefs, although his beliefs have a direct effect upon his works. If a man believes he does not need to do good deeds, then he will be judged by his evil deeds which he sees no need to cast away.
Ecclesiastes 3:17
I said to myself, God will judge both the righteous man and the wicked man, for a time for every matter and for every deed is there.
Ezekiel 24:14
I, the LORD, have spoken; it is coming and I will act. I will not relent, and I will not pity and I will not be sorry; according to your ways and according to your deeds I will judge you, declares the Lord GOD.
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Ezekiel 7:3
Now the end is upon you, and I will send My anger against you; I will judge you according to your ways and bring all your abominations upon you.
Ezekiel 7:8
Now I will shortly pour out My wrath on you and spend My anger against you; judge you according to your ways and bring on you all your abominations.
Ezekiel 18:30
Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct, declares the Lord GOD. Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
Ezekiel 33:20
Yet you say, The way of the Lord is not right. O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways.
Ezekiel 36:19
Also I scattered them among the nations and they were dispersed throughout the lands. According to their ways and their deeds I judged them.
1 Peter 1:17
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each ones work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;
Psalm 62:12
Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work.
Proverbs 24:12
If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?
Romans 2:6
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
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If we look at Proverbs 24:12, we see this about those who haven't known the Gospel -
If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?
God always judge according to each man's heart, and how they lived from their hearts.
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not sure what you mean, in our countries we have had the gospel preached and ingrained in our cultures , we could go into a library if we so choose and get info, but other countries that are,were comnunist , rely on missionaries to get the gospel out, you know Hudson taylor ect thats why the bible tells us to go preach the gospel. we have had more light in our countries, i believe we have less excuse here because we still have free accsess to the gospel. for how long.. i dont know. but we need to redeem the time as the bible says and preach the gospel in season and out of season
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When it comes down to it: How many true Christ like people (Christians) are there in the West?
How many people that call themselves Christians would suffer like the Christians in Communist China?
Christianity is growing fast with the underground church in China than anywhere else it seems reaching an estimated 100 million today, but are they really like the Christians in the West? (they have no denominations, they spend lots of time studying and preparing (counting the cost) before becoming baptized, they have no money, they only have a few Bibles, they have no buildings, they have spent time in prison or know someone that has spent time in prison for their faith).
Do we need missionaries from China more than we need to send them missionaries?
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i cant answer those questions because i dont live there, and i dont know many people out side my circles but i think your missing my point,, what i think is the west will be held more accoutable to God because we have had more light, our nations were founded on Godly princibles, as with a lot of nations the gospel has not just happend to be readily available, yes i agree with you there are a lot of people that probably do profess Christ and live like unbelievers but the soft preaching. tickling of ears, programs in churches ect has not helped if persecution does come to our nations it will bring out the true believers imo
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You say: "persecution does come to our nations it will bring out the true believers...." And unfortunately I have to agree with you, this could be our big problem (Lack of severe persecution)?
Under the Christian dispensation, the individual is held responsible so we need to be concerned about ourselves and individuals, the nation will just go on.
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