Who is Allah?

Originally posted by Ojuice5001
Muslims claim that Allah is the one true god, and there is no god but he. Since Muslims deny the divinity of Christ and Christians think they have good reasons to affirm it, Christians cannot agree that Allah is the one true god.

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Christ is our Lord and Savior, therefore, any belief other than that of Christ isn't the 'same' God.

If I'm correct, Jews believe in the same God, but don't accept Jesus as Christ - the saviour of all nations coming from the seed of their religious 'father' Abraham.

Originally posted by brindlepit
 

Christ is our Lord and Savior, therefore, any belief other than that of Christ isn't the 'same' God.

If I'm correct, Jews believe in the same God, but don't accept Jesus as Christ - the saviour of all nations coming from the seed of their religious 'father' Abraham.

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By the same line of reasoning, Muslims believe in the same God, but don't accept Jesus as Christ-the saviour.
Islam is also an Abrahamic faith.

Originally posted by Annabel Lee
By the same line of reasoning, Muslims believe in the same God, but don't accept Jesus as Christ-the saviour.
Islam is also an Abrahamic faith.

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yes but you're forgetting how bigotry, arrogance, and ignorance colours people eyesight

According to Jesus it matters not that people say : "We have Abraham as our father".


John 8:37

Abraham's Seed and Satan's
<SUP>37</SUP> "I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.<SUP> 38</SUP>I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with<SUP>[12]</SUP> your father."
<SUP>39</SUP>They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father."
Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.<SUP> 40</SUP>But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.<SUP> 41</SUP>You do the deeds of your father."
Then they said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father--God."
<SUP>42</SUP>Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.<SUP> 43</SUP>Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.<SUP> 44</SUP>You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.<SUP> 45</SUP>But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.<SUP> 46</SUP>Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?<SUP> 47</SUP>He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."

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To say that one is of the Abrahamic faith is no assurance of knowing the one and only true God.

John 8

<SUP>57</SUP>"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
<SUP>58</SUP>"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

He who believes that Jesus is the son of God..knows the one and only true God , the "I AM" of the bible .

"Allah, an arabic word for 'god'. "

LOL when I go to mexico they don't translate my name. I would go with you if the person Islam describes wasn't so unlike my God.

"By the same line of reasoning, Muslims believe in the same God, but don't accept Jesus as Christ-the saviour.
Islam is also an Abrahamic faith."

Not really..Jews are specifically talked about in the bible. Plus Muslims deny the essenital part of who christ is. They say he was not crusified. Big difference.

Originally posted by mala
yes but you're forgetting how bigotry, arrogance, and ignorance&nbsp;colours people eyesight

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It's unfortunate but I think you are correct.

Originally posted by Outspoken
I would go with you if the person Islam describes wasn't so unlike my God.

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how is it unlike your god?

"how is it unlike your god?"

allah says its okay to hurt someone who hurts you. God doesn't. That is pretty much the clearest one.

my muslim friend said allah is the same God as our God but allah is an arabic term for it therefore they refer to that term but it's the same God.
Muslims, jews, and christians you know were all God's children.

Originally posted by KeepTheFaith15
my muslim friend said allah is the same God as our God but allah is an arabic term for it therefore they refer to that term but it's the same God.
Muslims, jews, and christians you know were all God's children.

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KTF ask your friend if his/her God has a son named jesus , I believe you will discover that the christian God has a son and that the muslim God "Allah" does not .

And therefore denotes 2 different Gods , one with a son and one without a son .

Originally posted by Brain Damage
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KTF ask your friend if his/her God has a son named jesus , I believe you will discover that the christian God has a son and that the muslim God "Allah" does not .

And therefore denotes 2 different Gods , one with a son and one without a son .

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Brain, Brain Brain...ask a Jewish friend if their God has a son.
There is only one God! How could the Muslims have a different God?

Originally posted by Outspoken
"how is it unlike your god?"

allah says its okay to hurt someone who hurts you. .

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I'm not clear on where/who said that. Can you give me a reference, please?

Originally posted by Brain Damage
KTF ask your friend if his/her God has a son named jesus , I believe you will discover that the christian God has a son and that the muslim God "Allah" does not . And therefore denotes 2 different Gods , one with a son and one without a son .

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This denotes TWO ACTUALLY EXISTING gods, in reality?? Or two interpretations of one god?

Originally posted by Outspoken
"Allah, an arabic word for 'god'. "

LOL when I go to mexico they don't translate my name. I would go with you if the person Islam describes wasn't so unlike my God.

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chinese = _

russian = „q„€„s

spanish = el dios

french = dieu

german = gott

italian = dio

portugese = o dues

norwegian = gud

i could go on but im sure you get the point.

*dang chinese characters dont show on this forum*

*or russian ones for that matter*

Originally posted by Annabel Lee
Brain, Brain Brain...ask a Jewish friend if their God has a son.
There is only one God! How could the Muslims have a different God?

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Annabel, Annabel Annabel...If someone were to refer to you as the&nbsp;Annabel who has no children , would this be the same Annabel as you ?

Originally posted by Brain Damage
Annabel, Annabel Annabel...If someone were to refer to you as the&nbsp;Annabel who has no children , would this be the same Annabel as you ?

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LOL
Yes, it would be the same Annabel. The person referring to me would just have incomplete information .

The person they are pointing to would still be me. I wouldn't change into say.."Rosemary". I would still be "Annabel".

Originally posted by Outspoken

allah says its okay to hurt someone who hurts you. God doesn't. That is pretty much the clearest one.

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"Our" God has said it was okay to hurt someone who hurts you....

“Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”--Deuteronomy 19:21

Originally posted by Mephster
I'm not clear on where/who said that. Can you give me a reference, please?



This denotes TWO ACTUALLY EXISTING gods, in reality?? Or two interpretations of one god?

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In reality there is only one God and we all know this , but please remember that I'm looking at this from a christian perspective .

And this is what jesus is explaining to his fellow jews , that if they don't believe he ( jesus ) is the son of God then they are worshipping their father the Devil . Please read !

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Abraham's Seed and Satan's
&lt;SUP&gt;37&lt;/SUP&gt; "I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.&lt;SUP&gt; 38&lt;/SUP&gt;I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with&lt;SUP&gt;[12]&lt;/SUP&gt; your father."
&lt;SUP&gt;39&lt;/SUP&gt;They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father."
Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.&lt;SUP&gt; 40&lt;/SUP&gt;But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.&lt;SUP&gt; 41&lt;/SUP&gt;You do the deeds of your father."
Then they said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father--God."
&lt;SUP&gt;42&lt;/SUP&gt;Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.&lt;SUP&gt; 43&lt;/SUP&gt;Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.&lt;SUP&gt; 44&lt;/SUP&gt;You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.&lt;SUP&gt; 45&lt;/SUP&gt;But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.&lt;SUP&gt; 46&lt;/SUP&gt;Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?&lt;SUP&gt; 47&lt;/SUP&gt;He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God."


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Originally posted by Annabel Lee
LOL
Yes, it would be the same Annabel. The person referring to me would just have incomplete information .

The person they are pointing to would still be me. I wouldn't change into say.."Rosemary". I would still be "Annabel".

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Then don't you think someone should tell the muslims they have incomplete information...instead of promoting a God that denies he has a son ?

Originally posted by Brain Damage
Then don't you think someone should tell the muslims they have incomplete information...instead of promoting a God that denies he has a son ?

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I suppose so.
There is an Islamic Center half a mile from my house. I'll knock on the door Sunday after Mass and tell them.

I'll let you know how it goes.