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You taking up collections to get folks out of purgatory too?
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You taking up collections to get folks out of purgatory too?
Since he didn't follow up on the flip side of "normal human birth (virginity over)" on the 'mary-as-channel' thread, I'd say pretty well. Can't have it both ways, eh? Christ was either born of "water and blood" or "mary-as-channel".
Standing Up said:Strange you villify someone when you yourself have no ready answer.
Standing Up said:Like I said, make a choice. Either Christ was born of Mary with water and blood OR from her side (John of Damascus-east gate, aka "mary-as-channel").
Standing Up said:It is the advantage to actually reading the ECFs without the preconceived bias' apparent in many cut/paste jobs around here. The funniest one is thinking Tertullian supported "mary-as-channel" (aka ever-virgin) when he explicitely states the opposite (Joseph/Mary had James, Joses, etc).
I havent read any of the EFC. I really have not been drawn to do so.
If every single non-Catholic or non-Orthodox Christian out there would read the early Church fathers I can almost guarantee that the vast majority of them would quickly choose to become either Catholic or Orthodox. Most likely they'd choose to be Catholic since Catholicism lines up with what the early Church fathers taught better than does Orthodoxy.
Nah! Been there, done that.
If every single non-Catholic or non-Orthodox Christian out there would read the early Church fathers I can almost guarantee that the vast majority of them would quickly choose to become either Catholic or Orthodox. Most likely they'd choose to be Catholic since Catholicism lines up with what the early Church fathers taught better than does Orthodoxy.
Well you might be an exception then. That said, since you seen that the early Church clearly taught different things than what the Baptist church teaches, why did you still choose to remain Baptist? I am just curious Hentenza. You can send me a private message in reply to this if you would like.
God bless,
Holly
If every single non-Catholic or non-Orthodox Christian out there would read the early Church fathers I can almost guarantee that the vast majority of them would quickly choose to become either Catholic or Orthodox. Most likely they'd choose to be Catholic since Catholicism lines up with what the early Church fathers taught better than does Orthodoxy.
I was Baptist when I began reading the ECFs. They did not even begin to change me. Well, that's not entirely true as I kept reading about the Body and Blood and knew they saw something I did not see. But I read them for quite a while without changing.
It was actually talking with Sacramental believers in person that started me seeking and then some wise guy gave me a book about the Divine Liturgy and it was all over but the crying. I did a lot of that.
I havent read any of the EFC. I really have not been drawn to do so.
If every single non-Catholic or non-Orthodox Christian out there would read the early Church fathers I can almost guarantee that the vast majority of them would quickly choose to become either Catholic or Orthodox. Most likely they'd choose to be Catholic since Catholicism lines up with what the early Church fathers taught better than does Orthodoxy.
Nah! Been there, done that.
Which post do you refer to?Not really. Unlike what has been demonstrated in this thread, I have no overwhelming need to say that God canonized specifically the Protestant canon by magic, and write off that he used godly and learned men as his agents to organize the tainted Catholic canon.
You and that "heretic" Tertullian who said, "To know nothing in opposition to the rule of faith is to know all things." IOW, it's all in scripture.
If every single non-Catholic or non-Orthodox Christian out there would read the early Church fathers I can almost guarantee that the vast majority of them would quickly choose to become either Catholic or Orthodox. Most likely they'd choose to be Catholic since Catholicism lines up with what the early Church fathers taught better than does Orthodoxy.
Nah! Been there, done that.
I'll second that rejection ...
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