Question on Mary for Baptists

Albion

Facilitator
Dec 8, 2004
111,138
33,258
✟583,842.00
Country
United States
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Married
I did not mean to make an implication towards those traditions which do not accept the RP

I understand. I guess I was speaking "for the record" because a lot of other people don't think as you do.

rather those who do believe in the RP don't believe every cracker or wafer one can buy at the supermarket is so blessed.
Well, that's a funny thing to say. Who does?

When then do such Protestants believe our Lord is made present? How? Why?...honest question, I confess my ignorance on the matter.

The RP churches believe that the HS comes at the consecration but not because the priest is acting in the place of Christ to sacrifice himself, etc. The non-RP churches usually believe that Christ is present with the people in spirit because this is an ordinance he established for them to observe, but is not localized in the elements. And some merely think that they are engaging in a deeply meaningful memorial and Christ no more present than he is with them at all other times ("where two or three are....").
 
Upvote 0
Nov 20, 2011
1,195
63
✟9,171.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Private
Well, that's a funny thing to say. Who does?
your response below answers the question/point I was trying unsuccessfully to make.



The RP churches believe that the HS comes at the consecration

Thank You!!!...I will resist the temptation to play Sanctus Bells, and settle for a ding ding ding! :D

but not because the priest is acting in the place of Christ to sacrifice himself, etc. The non-RP churches usually believe that Christ is present with the people in spirit because this is an ordinance he established for them to observe, but is not localized in the elements. And some merely think that they are engaging in a deeply meaningful memorial and Christ no more present than he is with them at all other times ("where two or three are....").

wouldn't it still be the prayers of the celebrant though?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Albion
Upvote 0

Defensor Christi

Well-Known Member
Oct 25, 2012
2,202
75
Florida
✟18,281.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Is this the one you refer to???

I don't see any scriptures of the Holy Bible.

Read the links...I am not allowed to debate here so I post links instead...GT is the place to come if you want to see my full answers...or you can stay here and pat your fellow baptists on the back and agree with each other how right you are and how blind us poor Catholics are, its up to you.
 
Upvote 0

Mary of Bethany

Only one thing is needful.
Site Supporter
Jul 8, 2004
7,541
1,081
✟341,456.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Private
Calm down, everyone. The conversation was derailed by differences, and now I'm going to back up the track and put it back on track. Choo Choo. Chuga chuga chuga chuga....

First, I am curious about whether Baptists choose to support Christokos or Theotokos. Is only one a proper title, or are they both proper titles?

This is about my journey as a christian. I started out as a baptist, and later attended an anglican church congregation as well, and for the last two years I have not gone to church. Lately, I began this search to examine what denomination I want to be a part of(hence why I've been asking questions in both this and the Eastern Orthodox thread). And strange occurrences have been happening to me. You can read about them here---christianforums.com/t7709310

Now, first off, the impression I have is that Baptists support Christokos over Theotokos. As a baptist, I had always previously questioned the title "Mother Of God" and chosen "Mother Of Jesus/Christ". I conclude so far that both may be correct, since Mary is the mother of the person Jesus, who is God, who is also Christ. Yet, she is only the mother of the human nature, not the divine. And when we as Baptists, or Protestants, hear the name "Mother Of God", it comes across as if Roman Catholics and Orthodox assert the plausibility that Mary should be elevated to a higher status, as if she was the mother of the divine nature.

Giving her glory and honour that puts her at an elevated status with the divine nature of Jesus doesn't sit right with me, suggesting that the divine nature of Jesus should listen/be subject to a human-nature mother, though Roman Catholics may assert they do not worship her.

I am greatly perplexed about this man Jesus in trying to understand him as a person having two natures, before he was born, during the time of his life on Earth in the flesh, and in the present after his resurrection.

God forgive me...

Continue please.

One other distinction should be made, I think.

When people hear "Mother of God" they may associate it with her somehow existing before God, as His Creator, or something like that idea. Of course, that is not meant at all. Though there is nothing wrong with calling Mary "Mother of God" with that understanding, Orthodox usually stick with the Greek "Theotokos" meaning something more like "birthgiver (or bearer) of God", which is meant to safeguard the revelation of Jesus Christ as fully God and fully Man.

"Christotokos" would of couse allow for division of His Person, which is an heretical understanding.

I am no theologian, and I hope I have not expressed things badly.

Mary
 
Upvote 0

Catholic Wife

Senior Veteran
Jan 27, 2006
7,367
587
DFW Metroplex
✟17,678.00
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
One other distinction should be made, I think.

When people hear "Mother of God" they may associate it with her somehow existing before God, as His Creator, or something like that idea. Of course, that is not meant at all. Though there is nothing wrong with calling Mary "Mother of God" with that understanding, Orthodox usually stick with the Greek "Theotokos" meaning something more like "birthgiver (or bearer) of God", which is meant to safeguard the revelation of Jesus Christ as fully God and fully Man.

"Christotokos" would of couse allow for division of His Person, which is an heretical understanding.

I am no theologian, and I hope I have not expressed things badly.

Mary
I think you explained this simply, but well, Mary.

I'm no expert about the Baptist faith. I know nothing of it, really, except what I've read online. (I'm here to learn, not argue.) However, the "Baptist Statement of Faith" sticky mentions the "Community Rules", which says that this forum (CF) supports the Nicene Creed as a statement of faith. May I presume this means that Baptists accept the Nicene Creed as their statement of faith? Do Baptists believe that the Nicene Creed supports the belief of "Theotokos" rather than "Christotokos"?
 
Upvote 0