Literalism noticed by John

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The house of Israel never returned from captivity under the Assyrian. They remain "scattered" as He intended. Only the house of Judah returned from the Babylonian captivity as written in Ezra and Nehemiah.

[Ezekiel 37] lets us know the two sticks will one day be joined but...not yet.






You are mistaken for Jesus said:
Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, He saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
As shown above both Jesus and Paul made the distinction. I will add when Peter said, "men of Israel," you must realize that the house of Judah is Israel just as the house of Israel is Israel. All of them are Israel.

All are Israel but not all are Jews (house of Judah).






Unless one understands this separation how will one know the group God is addressing in various Scriptures?

Absolutely not. You cannot make that assertion because the "house of Israel is a pretty generic. The term is first used in Deuteronomy 16:31 and it refers to Israel. Once the kingdom was divided "house of Israel" referred to the ten tribes. One must be very careful and allow context to make that distinction.

Indeed, after Judah returned from exile the temple was rebuilt but don't discount the fact that in the captivity of Israel and Judah a remnant of both remained in the land...so you would not be accurate.

The land Israel was well populated when Jesus walked through it. To try and make a difference between Israel and Judah at this point is fruitless as they were no longer divided. Many of Israel had found their way back when Assyria fell. They had been scattered and many remained where they were.

Though there was no complete release of Israel from captivity, many found there way back to the land...that to is a fact (search it out). So when Jesus said "lost sheep of the house of Israel", He meant all dwelling in the land. All you need do is read the passage the went all through the country, as the passage states. The only distinction Jesus made to them was not to go into Samaira (mixed Jews), or to the Gentiles. So again you are not accurate.

When you quote Paul in Hebrews 8:8, you should realize he is quoting Jerermiah 31:31, and therefore it accurately reflects the reality that they were divided at the time. So Paul quotes it to ensure it means both...which is ALL OF ISRAEL.
 
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Classic semantics Biblewriter. But I will take the issue further to show this is a heavenly temple.

What the word "if" was applied to in the text is not a matter of semantics.

This is a heavenly temple! If you don't see that, it's because you don't want to. Clearly John is giving us what Ezekiel saw, with more detail!!!

You see it as a heavenly temple because you want to. I see it as earthly because it says it is.
 
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What the word "if" was applied to in the text is not a matter of semantics.



You see it as a heavenly temple because you want to. I see it as earthly because it says it is.

Indeed it was...for the sake of clarity:

KJV - 11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.

NASB - 11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.

Complete Jewish Bible - 11 If they become ashamed of all they have done, show them the elevation and plan of the house, its exits and entrances, all its details and decorations, and all its specifications, its design and its Torah.

NIV - 11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations and laws.


Because it belongs there.

So be it...for you. :thumbsup:
 
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Indeed it was...for the sake of clarity:

KJV - 11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them.

NASB - 11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.

Complete Jewish Bible - 11 If they become ashamed of all they have done, show them the elevation and plan of the house, its exits and entrances, all its details and decorations, and all its specifications, its design and its Torah.

NIV - 11 and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations and laws.


Because it belongs there.

So be it...for you. :thumbsup:

Notice that every one of these "if's" is not in a statement that God will do this "if" they obey, but is in an instruction to reveal this to them "if" they are ashamed of all they have done.

This is absolutely clear, and is not a matter of semantics at all. Not even one statement was made indicating that any portion of this prophecy was conditional. Only the revelation was conditional. Not the fulfillment.
 
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Notice that every one of these "if's" is not in a statement that God will do this "if" they obey, but is in an instruction to reveal this to them "if" they are ashamed of all they have done.

This is absolutely clear, and is not a matter of semantics at all. Not even one statement was made indicating that any portion of this prophecy was conditional. Only the revelation was conditional. Not the fulfillment.

No the "if" is in the context of repentance...which they did not do. Hence "if they are ashamed of all they have done..."

So the condition is a command from God to Ezekiel...and he never made the pattern known to them because they didn't repent. There's nothing that says he did.

The next time this temple is mentioned, John sees it in Rev 21!
 
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No the "if" is in the context of repentance...which they did not do. Hence "if they are ashamed of all they have done..."

So the condition is a command from God to Ezekiel...and he never made the pattern known to them because they didn't repent. There's nothing that says he did.

The next time this temple is mentioned, John sees it in Rev 21!

You completely missed the point. In each case, the "if" is a condition for a revelation of what is coming, not a condition for the fulfillment of the prophecy. There is no way around this undeniable fact and this difference is at an essential level. That is, it is not a side detail, but an essential element of the message in every one of the passages you have quoted.

You are reading these passages as if the "if" in each case was a condition for the fulfillment of the prophecy. But this was not the case in even one of them.
 
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You completely missed the point. In each case, the "if" is a condition for a revelation of what is coming, not a condition for the fulfillment of the prophecy. There is no way around this undeniable fact and this difference is at an essential level. That is, it is not a side detail, but an essential element of the message in every one of the passages you have quoted.

You are reading these passages as if the "if" in each case was a condition for the fulfillment of the prophecy. But this was not the case in even one of them.
No...not when it's clearly there:

Ezekiel 43:10-12:
10 “As for you, son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the plan.
11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.
12 This is the law of the house: its entire area on the top of the mountain all around shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.

Your error Biblewriter, is that you are not reading this passage in light of the NT passages that clearly tell us what this means. Ezekiel is told to make the plan known to Israel "if they are ashamed of all they have done".

Can you please show me where Israel was ashamed? NO YOU CANNOT! Because they went on and crucified Christ in their ignorance!

Furthermore, as you discount this very temple again revealed to John in Revelation 21, so again you miss the entire meaning of Ezekiel's temple vision because you think it's a literal temple.
 
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No...not when it's clearly there:

Ezekiel 43:10-12:
10 “As for you, son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the plan.
11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.
12 This is the law of the house: its entire area on the top of the mountain all around shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.

Your error Biblewriter, is that you are not reading this passage in light of the NT passages that clearly tell us what this means. Ezekiel is told to make the plan known to Israel "if they are ashamed of all they have done".

Can you please show me where Israel was ashamed? NO YOU CANNOT! Because they went on and crucified Christ in their ignorance!

Furthermore, as you discount this very temple again revealed to John in Revelation 21, so again you miss the entire meaning of Ezekiel's temple vision because you think it's a literal temple.

You are still willfully avoiding the fact that the condition in each of these passages was not the basis of the fulfillment of the promises, but only the basis of their being made aware of the promises.

But be that as it may, you are quite correct in saying they have not been ashamed. But many places in the scriptures explicitly tell us that there is a day coming in which they will indeed finally be ashamed. But they not only tell us that this will eventually happen, they also very explicitly tell us when that will finally happen. And it will be after Messiah comes in power and glory to deliver Israel from her deadly enemies.

"Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. 28And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen." (Isaiah 1:27-29)

"Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant. Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant. And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD." (Ezekiel 16:60-63)

"And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers. And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed." (Ezekiel 20:42-43)

"I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited." (Ezekiel 36:24-35)


 
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You are still willfully avoiding the fact that the condition in each of these passages was not the basis of the fulfillment of the promises, but only the basis of their being made aware of the promises.

But be that as it may, you are quite correct in saying they have not been ashamed. But many places in the scriptures explicitly tell us that there is a day coming in which they will indeed finally be ashamed. But they not only tell us that this will eventually happen, they also very explicitly tell us when that will finally happen. And it will be after Messiah comes in power and glory to deliver Israel from her deadly enemies.

"Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. 28And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the LORD shall be consumed. For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen." (Isaiah 1:27-29)

"Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant. Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant. And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD." (Ezekiel 16:60-63)

"And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers. And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed." (Ezekiel 20:42-43)

"I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you. And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen. Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations. Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited." (Ezekiel 36:24-35)


The whole point Biblewriter...is that this is a temple vision given to Ezekiel (40-48), and if we compare scripture with scripture it's very obvious that this is NOT a literal temple.

You have rejected that this is the very temple John sees in Rev 21 brother, so we can leave this issue because we will not agree on it...especially when you believe it's literal.

Of course God is going to cleanse them...that is all future. Only a remnant is being saved now.
 
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The whole point Biblewriter...is that this is a temple vision given to Ezekiel (40-48), and if we compare scripture with scripture it's very obvious that this is NOT a literal temple.

What seems very obvious to some is not at all obvious to others.

You are neglecting many other explicit state,ments of the temple vision, such as:

"When the priests enter therein, then shall they not go out of the holy place into the utter court, but there they shall lay their garments wherein they minister; for they are holy; and shall put on other garments, and shall approach to those things which are for the people." (Ezekiel 42:14)

"And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon." (Ezekiel 43:18)

"When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish." (Ezekiel 43:23)

"And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD." (Ezekiel 43:27)

"And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them. Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity. And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed. But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein. But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD: They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge." (Ezekiel 44:10-16)

"And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within. They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat. And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments." (Ezekiel 44:17-19)

"Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court." (Ezekiel 44:21)

Such explicit instructions for what men are commanded to do are not symbolism, but specific commands that apply at specific times.
 
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What seems very obvious to some is not at all obvious to others.

You are neglecting many other explicit state,ments of the temple vision, such as:

"When the priests enter therein, then shall they not go out of the holy place into the utter court, but there they shall lay their garments wherein they minister; for they are holy; and shall put on other garments, and shall approach to those things which are for the people." (Ezekiel 42:14)

"And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon." (Ezekiel 43:18)

"When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish." (Ezekiel 43:23)

"And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD." (Ezekiel 43:27)

"And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them. Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity. And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed. But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein. But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD: They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge." (Ezekiel 44:10-16)

"And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within. They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat. And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments." (Ezekiel 44:17-19)

"Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court." (Ezekiel 44:21)

Such explicit instructions for what men are commanded to do are not symbolism, but specific commands that apply at specific times.
No...I do not ignore any such thing. The propblem with what you're saying is this is a vision.

Do yourself a favor and look at visions though scripture...THEY ARE ALWAYS SYMBOLIC and APOCALYPTIC!!!

So when you try to make this a literal thing you run into HUGE PROBLEMS!

Let's start with Hebrews 9:11-13:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

You have a HUGE issue with the Ezekiel 40-48 vision if it is literal because Christ "ENDED SACRIFICE ONCE AND FOR ALL" so what you're saying is totally erroneous!

Hebrews 9:23-28 takes it even further:
23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

You can believe as you wish, but Jesus is THE END of sacrifice and offerings!

THE WILL BE NO MORE...EVER!
 
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No...I do not ignore any such thing. The propblem with what you're saying is this is a vision.

Do yourself a favor and look at visions though scripture...THEY ARE ALWAYS SYMBOLIC and APOCALYPTIC!!!

So when you try to make this a literal thing you run into HUGE PROBLEMS!

Let's start with Hebrews 9:11-13:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,
14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

You have a HUGE issue with the Ezekiel 40-48 vision if it is literal because Christ "ENDED SACRIFICE ONCE AND FOR ALL" so what you're saying is totally erroneous!

Hebrews 9:23-28 takes it even further:
23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.
26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

You can believe as you wish, but Jesus is THE END of sacrifice and offerings!

THE WILL BE NO MORE...EVER!

The vision ends in Ezekiel 43. From Ezekiel 43:7 to the end of Ezekiel, it is no longer a vision, but explicit statements from God himself. You also can believe what you want. but God has explicitly said that sacrifices will be resumed in the day treated of in the last third of Ezekiel.
 
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The vision ends in Ezekiel 43. From Ezekiel 43:7 to the end of Ezekiel, it is no longer a vision, but explicit statements from God himself. You also can believe what you want. but God has explicitly said that sacrifices will be resumed in the day treated of in the last third of Ezekiel.
Just no...look at Ezekiel 44:1:
Then He brought me back by the way of the outer gate of the sanctuary, which faces the east; and it was shut.

Ezekiel is escorted through the entire vision...look at 47:1:
Then he brought me back to the door of the house; and behold, water was flowing from under the threshold of the house toward the east, for the house faced east. And the water was flowing down from under, from the right side of the house, from south of the altar.

This is the very person Ezekiel saw at the beginning of the vision in Ezekiel 40:2:
3 So He brought me there; and behold, there was a man whose appearance was like the appearance of bronze, with a line of flax and a measuring rod in his hand; and he was standing in the gateway.

He escorts Ezekiel through the entire vision which is chapsters 40-48! You're wrong Biblewriter.
 
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