I used to be a Christian, but as of recent I have lost my faith and have reverted to agnosticism. The reason why is because I thought and thought about it, asked myself several questions, and I eventually came to the conclusion that I had no good reason to believe in God. Can any of you give me reasons why I should, or argue for God's existence?
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Scientific accuracies found in the Bible. Proof God exists?
1. The Shape of the Earth
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in," (Isaiah 40:22, NIV).
This may or may not be construed to support the spherical shape of the earth. The horizon is a circle and a circle is flat.
Christopher Columbus wrote in his diary:
It was the Lord who put it into my mind I could feel his hand upon me the fact that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies All who heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit, because He comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination from the Holy Scriptures For the execution of the journey to the Indies, I did not make use of intelligence, mathematics, or maps. It is simply the fulfillment of what Isaiah had prophesied.
Also take a moment to really consider the next verse:
"He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness." (Job 26:10)
Job 26:10 clearly refers to the line of demarcation between day and night. No other interpretation is possible. Such a view of the curved horizon at sunrise or sunset can only be seen from extremely high altitudes reached only by military jets and spacecraft.
2. The Earth is Suspended in Nothing
"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing," (Job. 26:7, NIV).
This is particularly interesting, considering that the cosmology of other cultures at that time did not have the earth suspended in nothing, but rather upon pillars, or people, or animals.
3. Earths Rotation on its Axis is Responsible for the Suns Rising and Setting.
Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place? It is changed (turned) like clay under the seal (Job 38:12, 14).
Written 4,000 years ago, the picture here is of a vessel of clay being turned or rotated upon the potters wheel an accurate analogy of the earths rotation.
4. The Water Cycle
"For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly. Also can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, or the noise of his tabernacle?"(Job 36:27-29).
Science later documented the direction of wind currents and wind paths. This was unknown in previous centuries, but Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 1:6, The wind blows to the south and goes round to the north; round and round goes the wind, and on its circuits with wind returns.
5. Streams in the Ocean
Ecclesiastes 1:7: All streams run to the sea, but the sea is not full; to the place where the streams flow, there they flow again.
Matthew Maury (1806-1873), who is known as the Pathfinder of the Seas, was the founder of modern oceanography and hydrography. Maury firmly believed in and was inspired by Psalm 8:8, whatever passes along the paths of the sea. Maury believed that if the Bible wrote about paths in the seas then there must truly be paths in the sea. He dedicated his life to find and document these paths God had mentioned. Maury spent part of his career with the U.S. Navy charting the winds and currents of the Atlantic which were not known before his documentation.
6. Space and Time
"In the beginning (time) God created (power) the Heaven (space) and the Earth (matter)... And the Spirit of God moved (motion) upon the face of the waters." (Genesis 1:1,3 written some 3450 years ago).
7. Universe Expanding
"It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in." (Isaiah 40:22)
8. Empty Space
"He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the earth on nothing." (Job 26:7)
9. Air has Weight
"To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure." (Job 28:25)
10. Galaxy Radio Waves
"When the morning stars sang together..." (Job 38:7)
11. Atoms
"By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. "(Hebrews 11:3)
"For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17).
12. Gravitational Properties
Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? (Job 38:31).
13. 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics
The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter can be neither created nor destroyed, and that the amount of matter in the universe remains constant. If the First Law is correct, which every scientific measurement ever made has confirmed, then the universe could not have created itself, it must have been created in the past, no further creating must be going on, and no loss of creation is occurring. The Bible is the only religious book that correctly portrays the First Law by 1) its description in Genesis of a Creator who is no longer creating, and 2) a Creator who is"upholding all things by the word of his power (Hebrews 1:3)".
Genesis 2:1 says (after creation) "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
The Hebrew word used here is the past definite tense for the verb "finished," indicating an action completed in the past, never again to occur. The creation was "finished" -- once and for all. That is what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. It states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. There is no "creation" ongoing today. It is "finished" exactly as the Bible states.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that all systems degenerate from order to disorder, was regarded by Albert Einstein to be the premier Law in science. Again the Bible is the only religious book to accurately describe this Law:
"For the heavens will vanish away like smoke, the earth will grow old like a garment..." (Isaiah 51:6),
and also a New Testament rendering:
"You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; (Hebrews 1:10-11)
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1. The Shape of the Earth
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in," (Isaiah 40:22, NIV).
This may or may not be construed to support the spherical shape of the earth. The horizon is a circle and a circle is flat.
Christopher Columbus wrote in his diary:
It was the Lord who put it into my mind I could feel his hand upon me the fact that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies All who heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit, because He comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination from the Holy Scriptures For the execution of the journey to the Indies, I did not make use of intelligence, mathematics, or maps. It is simply the fulfillment of what Isaiah had prophesied.
Also take a moment to really consider the next verse:
"He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness." (Job 26:10)
Job 26:10 clearly refers to the line of demarcation between day and night. No other interpretation is possible. Such a view of the curved horizon at sunrise or sunset can only be seen from extremely high altitudes reached only by military jets and spacecraft.
2. The Earth is Suspended in Nothing
"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing," (Job. 26:7, NIV).
This is particularly interesting, considering that the cosmology of other cultures at that time did not have the earth suspended in nothing, but rather upon pillars, or people, or animals.
3. Earths Rotation on its Axis is Responsible for the Suns Rising and Setting.
Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place? It is changed (turned) like clay under the seal (Job 38:12, 14).
Written 4,000 years ago, the picture here is of a vessel of clay being turned or rotated upon the potters wheel an accurate analogy of the earths rotation.
4. The Water Cycle
"For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man abundantly. Also can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, or the noise of his tabernacle?"(Job 36:27-29).
Science later documented the direction of wind currents and wind paths. This was unknown in previous centuries, but Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 1:6, The wind blows to the south and goes round to the north; round and round goes the wind, and on its circuits with wind returns.
5. Streams in the Ocean
Ecclesiastes 1:7: All streams run to the sea, but the sea is not full; to the place where the streams flow, there they flow again.
Matthew Maury (1806-1873), who is known as the Pathfinder of the Seas, was the founder of modern oceanography and hydrography. Maury firmly believed in and was inspired by Psalm 8:8, whatever passes along the paths of the sea. Maury believed that if the Bible wrote about paths in the seas then there must truly be paths in the sea. He dedicated his life to find and document these paths God had mentioned. Maury spent part of his career with the U.S. Navy charting the winds and currents of the Atlantic which were not known before his documentation.
6. Space and Time
"In the beginning (time) God created (power) the Heaven (space) and the Earth (matter)... And the Spirit of God moved (motion) upon the face of the waters." (Genesis 1:1,3 written some 3450 years ago).
7. Universe Expanding
"It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in." (Isaiah 40:22)
8. Empty Space
"He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the earth on nothing." (Job 26:7)
9. Air has Weight
"To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure." (Job 28:25)
10. Galaxy Radio Waves
"When the morning stars sang together..." (Job 38:7)
11. Atoms
"By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. "(Hebrews 11:3)
"For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17).
12. Gravitational Properties
Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion? (Job 38:31).
13. 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics
The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter can be neither created nor destroyed, and that the amount of matter in the universe remains constant. If the First Law is correct, which every scientific measurement ever made has confirmed, then the universe could not have created itself, it must have been created in the past, no further creating must be going on, and no loss of creation is occurring. The Bible is the only religious book that correctly portrays the First Law by 1) its description in Genesis of a Creator who is no longer creating, and 2) a Creator who is"upholding all things by the word of his power (Hebrews 1:3)".
Genesis 2:1 says (after creation) "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."
The Hebrew word used here is the past definite tense for the verb "finished," indicating an action completed in the past, never again to occur. The creation was "finished" -- once and for all. That is what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. It states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. There is no "creation" ongoing today. It is "finished" exactly as the Bible states.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that all systems degenerate from order to disorder, was regarded by Albert Einstein to be the premier Law in science. Again the Bible is the only religious book to accurately describe this Law:
"For the heavens will vanish away like smoke, the earth will grow old like a garment..." (Isaiah 51:6),
and also a New Testament rendering:
"You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; (Hebrews 1:10-11)
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reasons why I should, or argue for God's existence?
Chicken / egg -- can the complexity of this universe just happen out of void?
Chicken / egg -- can the complexity of this universe just happen out of void?
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How about this:-
As evolution is totaly unfounded THUS UNTRUE, you only have one other option; God made us!
That alone is enough to worship him!
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Actually evolution has almost been proven to almost scientific certainty. Various fossils, observations of life forms etc have all shown a gradual change in the anatomy of life forms over thousands to millions of years. Evolution is far more likely than God having created the world in six days or creating life just like that.
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Hi,
I would like to present to you my argument for God. It is not based upon scriptures, or personal thought. It is based upon miraculous encounters I have had with God. I will share with you one of my stories here, and include a link to my website that contains many other miracles God has done in my life. My website is Know God Personally and here is one of my favorite true stories:
One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice that I believed was God say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was known as the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.
I would like to present to you my argument for God. It is not based upon scriptures, or personal thought. It is based upon miraculous encounters I have had with God. I will share with you one of my stories here, and include a link to my website that contains many other miracles God has done in my life. My website is Know God Personally and here is one of my favorite true stories:
One morning I got up and walked into the hall and I heard a voice that I believed was God say "How would you like to be stabbed in the Valley". The Valley was known as the rough end of town, and the voice scared me a little, I wondered if I had done something to offend God. I had planned to go down to the Valley to ask people out to church as was my habit at the time. In the end I went anyway regardless of the fear. I walked up to the first person I met and asked him if he would like to go out to church. He said to me "I am an atheist, I don't believe in God". I just said "fine", but hoped to change his mind. He then proceeded to unbutton his shirt and showed me scar marks up and down his chest and stomach. He said to me, "I was attacked by a knife wielding man in the Valley some time ago and spent months recovering in hospital, How could God allow that to happen to me". Then I knew why God had said in the morning "How would I like to be stabbed?". God understood this man, but had a good plan for him. Some weeks latter this man came out to church and became a Christian.
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It doesn't matter whether you believe he created the world in six days or not, science has shown that it would have been impossible for all life on Earth to have been created in six days.
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Science has shown that all miracles are impossible by definition. So you believe that every miracle ever recorded or experienced must be a complete fabrication because the science of the natural world can't explain the supernatural? If you understand science, you must accept its limitations. If you understand God, you know that He has no limitations. Science can't explain miracles, and God can do the impossible.
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Small correction on the first sentence. Science has not shown that miracles are impossible. Science has just failed to record them and enter them into the data bank. Science records what normally happens, and if it happens often enough, assumes by extrapolation that the same thing will continue to happen ad infinitum. If science ever did witness a one-off miracle it would attribute another explanation due to the weight of other evidence.
We're on the same side though.
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If God created man and all other creatures in six days, why are there dinosaur fossils, which are millions of years older than any human ones?
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I care not for the Big Bang versus Literal Creation. I question why the universe started. Why? What started quantum fluctuations? Since they have energy, they can be placed in time, so when do you place them? When did they start, and why? Since time is linear, then we cannot have an infinite digression. But quantum fluctuations cannot have just started without cause, they have been going on for as long as time. So that means the universe had to have been created. Therefore, the necessity for some "Uncreated Creator" is necessary. I landed on Christianity after sifting through other religions and settling with the one that had no theological contradictions.
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God is all.
The truth is, only wickedness makes wickedness.
God is all the good.
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All things are of God, the doubters didn't make it.
The doubters only make wickedness. Wickedness fails.
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Opposed to Untruth.
All things are of God, the doubters didn't make it.
The doubters only make wickedness. Wickedness fails.
The point I wanted to make was the comparison of (biblical truth): passed down through generations compared to (secular science): someone putting together pieces of a puzzle without the big picture.
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Holiness is the very power of real itself - without holiness (from whole-ness, ie: consistence, congruence, cohesion and coherence) there is no science because science relies on the world being amenable to reason and reason relies on the world being coherent and cohesive....whole....subject to holiness.
If you can recognise Holiness, you can remember God.
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What. When the Universe came into existence religion didn't exist either. Science is not something humans invented, like religion. Science is the study of the physics and processes behind the world.
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Hi VoiceOfFate,
Just wondering if you had a chance to have a look at the Website I gave you. Or what your response is the the miracle I listed in the post I did previously.
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1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Just wondering if you had a chance to have a look at the Website I gave you. Or what your response is the the miracle I listed in the post I did previously.
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1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
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Every scientist must assume that nature acts in certain predictable, measurable ways; this is what makes scientific discovery possible. Paul Davies argued that science can proceed only if the scientist adopts an essentially theological worldview. However, there is really no reason why nature should follow laws; the existence of such laws requires an explanation. Three questions must be answered: Where do the laws of physics come from? Why is it that we have these laws instead of some other set? How is that we have a set of laws that drives featureless gases to life, consciousness, and intelligence?.
Every belief has some fundamental assumption; for theists, the existence of God is the fundamental assumption. If the universe had begun to exist at some point in time, it was reasonable to assume something caused its beginning. Because it is more likely that God exists uncaused, rather than the universe, it is logical to argue for the existence of God from the existence of the universe.
Not only does our universe follow finely tuned physical laws, but laws which seem to be finely tuned to enable life to exist. The most common atheist answer is to assert that our universe is one of many othersthe multiverse speculation. It is interesting that atheists who refuse to believe in an unseen God, based supposedly on the lack of evidence for His existence, explain away the appearance of design by embracing the existence of an unknown number of other universes for which there is no evidenceor even any effect of their evidence. In any case, even if there were multiple universes, it would not solve the atheists dilemma; multiverse or not, we still have to come to terms with the origin of the laws of nature. And the only viable explanation here is the divine Mind
The existence of physical laws which allow life to survive is necessary, but not sufficient by itself, for the existence of life. The question of the origin of life became much more complex with the discovery of DNA, a molecule comprising letters that code for the instructions to build the machinery of life. A real vicious circle is that the instructions to build decoding machinery are themselves encoded on the DNA. That life is governed by a complex code leads to the question:
Can the origins of a system of coded chemistry be explained in a way that makes no appeal whatever to the kinds of facts that we otherwise invoke to explain codes and languages, systems of communication, the impress of ordinary words on the world of matter?
Natural selection cant explain the origin of first life. Ultimately, a vast amount of information is behind life, and in every other case, information necessarily points to an intelligent source, so it is only reasonable that there be a Source behind this information as well.
Every belief has some fundamental assumption; for theists, the existence of God is the fundamental assumption. If the universe had begun to exist at some point in time, it was reasonable to assume something caused its beginning. Because it is more likely that God exists uncaused, rather than the universe, it is logical to argue for the existence of God from the existence of the universe.
Not only does our universe follow finely tuned physical laws, but laws which seem to be finely tuned to enable life to exist. The most common atheist answer is to assert that our universe is one of many othersthe multiverse speculation. It is interesting that atheists who refuse to believe in an unseen God, based supposedly on the lack of evidence for His existence, explain away the appearance of design by embracing the existence of an unknown number of other universes for which there is no evidenceor even any effect of their evidence. In any case, even if there were multiple universes, it would not solve the atheists dilemma; multiverse or not, we still have to come to terms with the origin of the laws of nature. And the only viable explanation here is the divine Mind
The existence of physical laws which allow life to survive is necessary, but not sufficient by itself, for the existence of life. The question of the origin of life became much more complex with the discovery of DNA, a molecule comprising letters that code for the instructions to build the machinery of life. A real vicious circle is that the instructions to build decoding machinery are themselves encoded on the DNA. That life is governed by a complex code leads to the question:
Can the origins of a system of coded chemistry be explained in a way that makes no appeal whatever to the kinds of facts that we otherwise invoke to explain codes and languages, systems of communication, the impress of ordinary words on the world of matter?
Natural selection cant explain the origin of first life. Ultimately, a vast amount of information is behind life, and in every other case, information necessarily points to an intelligent source, so it is only reasonable that there be a Source behind this information as well.
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