West Point's Cadet Chapel hosts first same-sex wedding

Blackwater Babe said:

Or those children need fostering or adoption, and gays are the only people offering.

Its the blatant inconsistency that annoys me.

"oh, but marriage is about a stable home for children, since gays can't procreate, they can't get married"
-so you're against infertile heterosexual couples getting married?
"*crickets*"

"Oh, but children have a right to live with their biological mother and father"
-so you want to stop single parent families?
"*crickets*"

"Oh, but the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, and we can't expose children to that!"
-So, you want to take children away from heterosexual adulterers and divorcees?
"*crickets*"

"Oh, I don't care what they do in the bedroom, as long as they don't make the church change the definition of marriage"
-But we're not talking about church recognition, rather legal, secular government recognition. So why should you want to stop that?

NB. At this point the argument invariably circles back to one of the earlier points about children.

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Skaloop said:

You're concerned about a small change to the definition of marriage

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Paulos23 said:

And yet there is another 4 four states that voted for SSM and there is an upswell of support for it among the younger voters. Both are aguements by popularity, both still don't answer the question.

Why deny ssm legally? It is not force on you, not forced on churches (at least churches that are not foolish enough to rent out their building to the public). It causes no harm (your claim it does is not supported).

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Wolseley said:

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Ringo84 said:

My questions remain unanswered:

1. What are the "ramifications" of gay marriage?
2. How does same-sex marriage "destroy" the "basis of society?
3. What is/are the rationale(s) for denying same-sex couples marriage?

We're waiting.
Ringo

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razeontherock said:

#2a is not only a concern, but the primary concern I have stated, albeit not from being raised by homosexual couples; by the social impact of legalizing SSM, in the long haul. Of course, there is credence to that! Your info here suggests the same.

Some would say #4 is a concern as well.

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Skaloop said:

Doesn't say anything about how SSM would be detrimental to society. It alludes to God not liking it when men abandon women and lust for each other

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razeontherock said:

Strawman #3,732. (Although this same one has been used before so it might not count. Yet it hasn't previously been used by you, so in a way it is new. anytime you feel like addressing the issue, go right ahead ...)



#2a is not only a concern, but the primary concern I have stated, albeit not from being raised by homosexual couples; by the social impact of legalizing SSM, in the long haul. Of course, there is credence to that! Your info here suggests the same.


So your main concern is with the 80 percent of children that have to decide whether to be gay or straight. I get that. What harm do you see with a percentage of them turning gay? I think plenty will decide to be fruitful to keep our species going

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trunks2k said:

And this is where we disagree.

I see nothing wrong with kids willing to experiment with their sexual orientation. Personally, I think "hmmm... he's kinda cute, I guess.... I wonder if I'm into guys..." *tries dating guys* "Nope. definitely not into guys".

Is waaaaay healthier than

""hmmm... he's kinda cute, I guess.... I wonder if I'm into guys... NO! NO! Don't think like that!... but what if I am? No! you like girls! But some guys are kinda attractive. NO!"

Teens have hormones a-raging and they are going to get confused and unsure of themselves. I feel not being willing to explore what is an integral part of themselves is a bad thing.

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quilbilly said:

So your main concern is with the 80 percent of children that have to decide whether to be gay or straight. I get that. What harm do you see with a percentage of them turning gay? I think plenty will decide to be fruitful to keep our species going

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razeontherock said:

Your first phrase here is stretching my point, (I haven't asserted it's actually 80%, neither is it as cut and dried as "have to decide sexual orientation." So you're not being straightforward, which I positively and unabashedly HATE) but moving on:

Deciding to be fruitful is not the point. Strawman # 3,739

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razeontherock said:

"It doesn't say it's going to rain, it says it's going to pour!" (At least it's not a strawman, so thank you for that) You should also read my tagline re: Freodin, and see how it applies here

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razeontherock said:

Convince your comrades to cease with the strawmen and maybe we can have a decent discussion? As it is there's TONS of answers in this thread, but scattered amongst WAY too much nonsense

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Paulos23 said:

Personally, I think your calling strawman as much as a boy who calls wolf.

And your answers you claim are not backed up with facts or peer review studies. Now I don't mind you having you own opinions and how you raise your kids is your business. But why do you think your opinion should be applied to marrage law?

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questftbest said:

I just don't see how all these so called Christian demoninations throw the Bible in the trash.

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razeontherock said:

You were addressing someone who protected domestic soil from attack in the Viet Nam war, along the only coast that could possibly have been at risk. That was an incredibly brash thing to say

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razeontherock said:

You were addressing someone who protected domestic soil from attack in the Viet Nam war, along the only coast that could possibly have been at risk. That was an incredibly brash thing to say

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Blackwater Babe said:

Look, nothing but love for the guys who served in Viet Nam, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone try to claim any US coast was in danger of invasion during the conflict

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Blackwater Babe said:

I'd like to see his definition of "strawman", because the way he's using it doesn't look familiar to me.

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