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not to mention grass before the sun.
Or land plants before fish.
Or birds before land animals.
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Even Pat Robertson Denies the Earth is 6,000 Years Old
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not to mention grass before the sun.
Or land plants before fish.
Or birds before land animals.
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Then use a scientific calculator ... it's simple arithmetic.
Do you want my [mentally-challenged] nephew to do it for you?
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The creationists are infamous for claiming science says things that it does not say. Good examples are quote mines where they take something said by a scientist or something from the scientific literature and conveniently leave out the context of what is being said the give it a different and erroneous meaning. Henry Gee is one such person who has been heavily quote mined in his book, "In Search of Deep Time". In one section he gives an argument about how there are no transitional fossils and then goes on to explain how that argument is fallacious. Gee is a Paleontologist and Evolutionary Biologist. Creationists have used the first part of his argument and excluding the second part in which he show how wrong the first part is, and claim that, "Look!, there's an evolutionary biologist and paleontologist who says there aren't any transitional fossils".
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The same source that we demonstrated you cannot possibly glean the dates of birth from Adam to Judah, since no ages are given for the last couple dozen generations, and since some generations were demonstrated to have been skipped?
That source?
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It is very easy, any third grader could do the math without any problem at all. If you want something for a fifth grader we could do Daniels 70 weeks and 490 years. This is all pretty basic math. Esp from Adam to Abraham the generations are very easy to follow.
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It looks like you missed the word "nephesh" meaning soul. Before the fruit trees whatever flies in the air or swims in the sea did not have a soul "nephesh". Flipper was not created until day five. This is a very common problem. There is a huge amount of information in just this one word. You only have a few words to deal with and yet you totally miss it.
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And on the ninth day, there shall be flipper. Yea, verily, he shall say, "e-e-e-e-e-e"
Sorry, couldn't resist
Sorry, couldn't resist
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Do you really not believe AV as to how easy this is. Adam 130 years, Seth 105 years, Enos 90 years, Cainan 70 years, Mahalaleel 65 years, Jared 62 years, Enock 65 years, Metheselah 187 years, Lamech 182 years. So we have 130 + 105 + 90 + 70 + 65 + 62 + 65 + 187 + 182 from Adam to when Noah was born. "Noah [was] six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth." so we have 956 years and we add 600 and we get 1556. Notice Noah's father Lamech could have known Adam because they were both alive at the same time for a few years. Right now I am coming up with a flood that was 4444 years ago. That would be 2443 BC or close to that.
Genesis 5:1 This [is] the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Genesis 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Genesis 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
Genesis 5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
Genesis 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
Genesis 5:10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
Genesis 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
Genesis 5:13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
Genesis 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
Genesis 5:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
Genesis 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
Genesis 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
Genesis 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
Genesis 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.
Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
Genesis 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
Genesis 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This [same] shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Genesis 5:30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
Genesis 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Genesis 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
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And you believe AV as to how easy this is? So then why do you stop there.
This was what AV said:
You stopped with Noah & Sons... now go on. And to reach the 4004 BC date, you need to go on to a person that we can (scientifically) date. After all, it is so easy!
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Assuming your transcript is accurate between two people, then one or two of them believe in an old earth. We can't assume the ideas presented are universal for all people living at the time.
Sorry.
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What are you talking about?
The goalposts always were the entire genealogy. That is the point. It can't be done with the information we have from the Bible. Seriously, is it really that hard to understand what we are getting at?
Do you know why the goalposts were set to the entire genealogy? AV actually claimed to have done it himself and came out to a figure close to Ussher. We want him to demonstrate how. He always stops about 1800 years from the perfectly stationary goal posts.
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If it's so easy, then why can't any of you do it?
You didn't even get as far as AV did, and he was 1800+ years off.
Can you even tell me what year Joseph, Jesus' adoptive father was born in, based on the Bible? How about Mary or her father?
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No, the requirement of having a "scientifically verifiable date" was added. You're not really going to get that from Scripture, now are you?
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Everyone is best guessing. If we could work it out 100% accurately nobody would be confused over it.
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Wow.
I'm sure Jesus' birth would suffice for the person who requested a "scientifically verifiable date." But he's also leaving a door open which could actually HELP your cause, if you can verify a definite birth year for an ancestor of Jesus through historical means, thereby not having to trace the genealogy quite as far.
So, if the goal posts are moving at all, it is more likely to be moved CLOSER to you, rather than farther away.
Regardless, there is no question that MY goal posts have not moved. AV claimed to have added up the dates with a calculator and come up with a date close to Ussher's. But when he was pressed on this, he couldn't get any farther than Adam to Judah. Jamin didn't even get that far.
Care to take a stab at it?
AV said anyone could do it with just a calculator. Jamin said a third grader could do it.
Bold claims for such little demonstration.
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