Pew Research: Obama's support among young, black males dropped significantly

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Young Voters Supported Obama Less, But May Have Mattered More | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

There are a lot of numbers to extrapolate here, but the one that really got me is that in 2008 Obama got 94% of the young, black male vote. But in 2012 it dropped 14 points to 80%! This is huge. Is it because this group suffers the highest unemployment of all?

By the same token, young, black females slightly increased their support for Obama. Again, the same factors could be in play. Their men are out of work and they are increasingly dependent on government entitlements.

At any rate, I'm happy that young, black males are breaking away from the pack mentality and thinking more independently.
 

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Young Voters Supported Obama Less, But May Have Mattered More | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

There are a lot of numbers to extrapolate here, but the one that really got me is that in 2008 Obama got 94% of the young, black male vote. But in 2012 it dropped 14 points to 80%! This is huge. Is it because this group suffers the highest unemployment of all?

By the same token, young, black females slightly increased their support for Obama. Again, the same factors could be in play. Their men are out of work and they are increasingly dependent on government entitlements.

At any rate, I'm happy that young, black males are breaking away from the pack mentality and thinking more independently.

So every time a black person votes Democratic, it's because of the pack mentality?
 
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Young Voters Supported Obama Less, But May Have Mattered More | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

There are a lot of numbers to extrapolate here, but the one that really got me is that in 2008 Obama got 94% of the young, black male vote. But in 2012 it dropped 14 points to 80%! This is huge. Is it because this group suffers the highest unemployment of all?

By the same token, young, black females slightly increased their support for Obama. Again, the same factors could be in play. Their men are out of work and they are increasingly dependent on government entitlements.

At any rate, I'm happy that young, black males are breaking away from the pack mentality and thinking more independently.

Veritas, it's not any of those reasons you think.
 
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I interpreted it to mean that it is pretty interesting to see a certain demographic change their voting pattern that drastically during one election.

I interpreted it to mean that she thinks most black males have a pack mentality when they vote Democratic. Seeing that is what she said.

As a black male I'm insulted. Do white males have a "pack mentality" when they vote Republican? To Veritas probably not. I've seen plenty of this nonsense in conservative speak. People believing in global warming and evolution have a "pack mentality" while those who deny Obama's citizenship are "independent thinkers."

Right....

This seems to be yet another excuse for why Romney lost the election. People want free stuff. Women want to kill their babies. Black males have a pack mentality. Like the one where they see Republican politicians like Santorum and Gingrinch saying stupid crap about minorities and the minorities decide not to vote for them.

And as I've said before, keep it up. It'll cost you folks another election and I look forward to it.
 
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I interpreted it to mean that she thinks most black males have a pack mentality when they vote Democratic. Seeing that is what she said.

As a black male I'm insulted. Do white males have a "pack mentality" when they vote Republican? To Veritas probably not. I've seen plenty of this nonsense in conservative speak. People believing in global warming and evolution have a "pack mentality" while those who deny Obama's citizenship are "independent thinkers."

Right....

This seems to be yet another excuse for why Romney lost the election. People want free stuff. Women want to kill their babies. Black males have a pack mentality. Like the one where they see Republican politicians like Santorum and Gingrinch saying stupid crap about minorities and the minorities decide not to vote for them.

And as I've said before, keep it up. It'll cost you folks another election and I look forward to it.

Many don't even realise it. They are completely oblivious to how their contempt for voters might cost them.
 
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I interpreted it to mean that it is pretty interesting to see a certain demographic change their voting pattern that drastically during one election.

Well, that's certainly... charitable.

I'll wait to hear her speak for herself, however.
 
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Young Voters Supported Obama Less, But May Have Mattered More | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

There are a lot of numbers to extrapolate here, but the one that really got me is that in 2008 Obama got 94% of the young, black male vote. But in 2012 it dropped 14 points to 80%! This is huge. Is it because this group suffers the highest unemployment of all?

By the same token, young, black females slightly increased their support for Obama. Again, the same factors could be in play. Their men are out of work and they are increasingly dependent on government entitlements.

At any rate, I'm happy that young, black males are breaking away from the pack mentality and thinking more independently.


"By the same 'token'".

Interesting choice of phrase, especially when one considers you tried to make the case that black male support went down but black female support is up due to "the same factors": the men voted against Obama more ("only" 80% for Obama) and the women's support was slightly higher (what? 96%?) for the exact same reason, young black male unemployment.

That would be nearly the exact opposite of "by the same token"!
 
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So long as Republicans cling to this narrative, they will continue to alienate voters, and come next election the same question will be on their lips, "Why didn't they vote for us?!" And so long as they fail to learn the lesson, they will repeat the same old narrative: "It's because they are lazy leeches! It has nothing to do with our policies!"
 
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Young Voters Supported Obama Less, But May Have Mattered More | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

There are a lot of numbers to extrapolate here, but the one that really got me is that in 2008 Obama got 94% of the young, black male vote. But in 2012 it dropped 14 points to 80%! This is huge. Is it because this group suffers the highest unemployment of all?

By the same token, young, black females slightly increased their support for Obama. Again, the same factors could be in play. Their men are out of work and they are increasingly dependent on government entitlements.

At any rate, I'm happy that young, black males are breaking away from the pack mentality and thinking more independently.

Exactly how many young black males and/or females do you know? You're obviously not aware that the number of whites receiving government assistance dwarfs the number of blacks. I mean, think about it. Those rural towns throughout the country with all-white populations, how many jobs do you think are out there for them? Very few, yet the thousands who are not working pay rent and put food on the table. Now how are they able to do that?

You listen to politicians who know nothing about black people, and you obviously don't. Yes, we have our problems, but whites, who the system happens to work for, have the same problems. You need to do some research before posting something this insulting. Whites aren't the only ones on this website. Unless "insulting" was you intent over your continued resentment of President Obama, who happens to be black.
 
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The break up of marriage within the black community was first brought about in part by the loss of inner city manufacturing jobs. With uneducated males having less good paying labor work available to support a family, black females where less willing to marry.

Now we have a break down in government work, a source of jobs for many black families and black individuals in todays world.

So it wouldn't surprise me if many black Americans begin looking at other sources of employment. And here of late Democrats have been largely siding with green groups over manufacturing and labor. That probably does not sit well with some black Americans.

"Green or Black: Must Democrats Choose?"

Green or Black: Must Democrats Choose? | Via Meadia

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While the President’s poll numbers have fallen dramatically since the heyday of Obamamania, African Americans continue to overwhelmingly support the first African-American President. Yet the Democratic coalition contains two elements who tend to not get along very well: urban African American machine politicians and their mostly blue collar constituents on the one hand, and upper middle class, good government, green minded professionals on the other. In an insightful new piece at NewGeography, Joel Kotkin explores the widening chasm between Obama’s upper-middle class progressivism and minority interests:
From its inception the Obama administration’s focus has been on the largely white information economy, notably boosting universities and the green-industrial complex based in places like Silicon Valley. The Obama team’s decision to surrender working class whites to appeal to what Democratic strategists call the “mass upper middle class” makes political sense but could lead to problems for an American working class that is itself increasingly minority.
An emphasis on green industries and strong across-the-board regulation often works against traditional industries like heavy manufacturing, warehousing and fossil fuel development that historically have employed many minorities. Opposing development of new petrochemical plants and such things as the XL Pipeline — opposed by many greens and their allies in the Obama Administration — could reduce new opportunities for minority workers, many of them unionized, particularly in the heavily African-American, and increasingly Latino, Gulf region.
President Obama has an asset that most national Democratic politicians do not: he can look black even as he governs green. African American voters will accept policy tradeoffs from one of their own. Future Democratic candidates and presidents will have a tougher time keeping the two crucial pieces of their coalition aligned.
The progressive movement is in the process of splintering into two groups: white-collar professionals, whose passion for environmentalism and other pet causes comes at little or no expense to themselves, and blue-collar laborers and minorities, whose hopes for higher pay and better benefits often rest on heavy industry. “Green jobs” boondoggles like Solyndra and the floundering push for high-speed rail are attempts to split the difference — and they have largely failed. The Obama administration pushed these ideas as hard as it did precisely because they offer, at least in theory, ways to link up the demands of greens and blue collar Dems.
President Obama is something of a kiwi Democrat: brown on the outside, green within. His skin color gives him a tie to urban African Americans, but his policy instincts are upper middle class liberal progressive. He is a technocrat, not a populist: a McGeorge Bundy, not an Al Sharpton. The white working class is the least susceptible segment of the body politic to his charms; they see the upper middle class, big government Harvard technocrat side of him unsoftened by ties of kith and kin....
 
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Obama won states totaling 272 EVs by 5.4% or more. You think there was fraud on that large of a level, to skew the vote in several states by 6% of the vote? Also, most of that list isn't evidence. It's a mix "hey, he shouldn't win this big! must've cheated!" and "Someone is alleging that this happened." People allege all sorts of things about our presidents.
 
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