Dear Hervey,
Hervey:
There will be a #1 - New Heaven and #2 - a New Earth. The New Jerusalem comes down out of -- Heaven ( which Heaven ? -- The old heaven has passed away ! --- She comes down from the New Heaven - Rev. 21:1 & 2) - from God - having the glory of God, and her - Rev. 21:10 & 11. She - the New Jerusalem is the "glory of God", and she is the wife of the Lamb.
Jim:
Yes, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Yes, the New Jerusalem will descend from God out of the new heaven to the new earth. Yes, this city, New Jerusalem, is the Lambs wife. John was standing with the angel on a mountain of the new earth watching the Lambs wife, the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descend from the new heaven to the new earth (21:10). That is what Revelation 21 says. I dont see the point youre trying to make here.
Hervey:
Then why would the Word of God use the words "enter into it" in two verses pertaining to two different understandings of the group whoes names are written in the "Lamb's book of life" ? Once in verse 24 and again in verse 27.
Jim:
What do you mean by two different understandings? The one understanding that I gather from verses 21:24 and 21:27 is that the kings of the earth in verse 21:24 are written in the Lambs book of life as stated in verse 21:27.
Hervey:
The new city called the New Jerusalem is "not" the New Heaven. So where is the New Heaven ? ----- The answer is --- "Outside" of the New Earth, is the New Heaven
Jim:
In my opinion, the assumption that the New Jerusalem is the new earth has no scriptural basis. Also, in my opinion, the statement that the new heaven is outside the New Jerusalem is not consistent with verse 22:15, which states that those who participate in the second death are without the city.
Hervey:
Christians were designed by God to be in 'heaven', and they also can come to the earth, as they will with Christ upon this earth in the last days.
Jim:
John 14:3 says, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says, and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Revelation 3:12 says, Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out Revelation 21:22 says, And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 22:3 says, the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him. In my opinion, these passages indicate that Christians are not designed to be in heaven; they are designed to be with Christ wherever He may be. According to Revelation 21-22, Christ will be in the New Jerusalem with His servants. In contrast, verse 22:15 states that those who will participate in the second death will be without the city. It appears to me from Revelation 21:2-3, 21:10 and 22:3 that Gods tabernacle and throne will no longer be in heaven; they will be in the New Jerusalem, which will be on the new earth.
Sincerely,
Jim
Hervey:
There will be a #1 - New Heaven and #2 - a New Earth. The New Jerusalem comes down out of -- Heaven ( which Heaven ? -- The old heaven has passed away ! --- She comes down from the New Heaven - Rev. 21:1 & 2) - from God - having the glory of God, and her - Rev. 21:10 & 11. She - the New Jerusalem is the "glory of God", and she is the wife of the Lamb.
Jim:
Yes, there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Yes, the New Jerusalem will descend from God out of the new heaven to the new earth. Yes, this city, New Jerusalem, is the Lambs wife. John was standing with the angel on a mountain of the new earth watching the Lambs wife, the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descend from the new heaven to the new earth (21:10). That is what Revelation 21 says. I dont see the point youre trying to make here.
Hervey:
Then why would the Word of God use the words "enter into it" in two verses pertaining to two different understandings of the group whoes names are written in the "Lamb's book of life" ? Once in verse 24 and again in verse 27.
Jim:
What do you mean by two different understandings? The one understanding that I gather from verses 21:24 and 21:27 is that the kings of the earth in verse 21:24 are written in the Lambs book of life as stated in verse 21:27.
Hervey:
The new city called the New Jerusalem is "not" the New Heaven. So where is the New Heaven ? ----- The answer is --- "Outside" of the New Earth, is the New Heaven
Jim:
In my opinion, the assumption that the New Jerusalem is the new earth has no scriptural basis. Also, in my opinion, the statement that the new heaven is outside the New Jerusalem is not consistent with verse 22:15, which states that those who participate in the second death are without the city.
Hervey:
Christians were designed by God to be in 'heaven', and they also can come to the earth, as they will with Christ upon this earth in the last days.
Jim:
John 14:3 says, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says, and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Revelation 3:12 says, Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out Revelation 21:22 says, And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 22:3 says, the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him. In my opinion, these passages indicate that Christians are not designed to be in heaven; they are designed to be with Christ wherever He may be. According to Revelation 21-22, Christ will be in the New Jerusalem with His servants. In contrast, verse 22:15 states that those who will participate in the second death will be without the city. It appears to me from Revelation 21:2-3, 21:10 and 22:3 that Gods tabernacle and throne will no longer be in heaven; they will be in the New Jerusalem, which will be on the new earth.
Sincerely,
Jim