The emphasis of this post is on knowing that the Father is the ONLY true God - not on knowing the son who was SENT by the ONLY true God.
That is unfortunate. Why make emphasis on knowing the Father but not the Son when the verse does say, 'that they may know You, the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom You sent.' The everlasting life spoken of here comes through KNOWING them BOTH. I know, your point was to emphasize and separate the ONLY true God and skip knowing them both, which that verse makes inseparable. Jesus doesnt say THAT the Father is the only true God, He sais: that they may know You, the only true God AND Jesus Christ,(which here He is speaking in a third person) it clearly combines them into knowing BOTH. Knowing one, means knowing both. Does it say the ONE and only?
How the Son got the glory WITH the Father BEFORE the world was is IRRELEVANT. That does NOT in any way make Jesus God
Irrelevant? That Jesus had Glory with the Father before the world is meaningless? I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another(Isa 42:8)
Are you telling me that you are MORE authoritative than Jesus? Are you telling me that what Jesus SAID in John 17:1,3 is false? Show me where it CLEARLY says that they were always together as ONE God? And don't make apostle John say what he did not say, please!
What Jesus said in John 17:3 i already stated above. Jesus, as the Son, in flesh, on earth is praying. He gives honor to His Father, by calling Him, of course the only true God and also mentions HIMSELF, by name. Why does He use His own name as if He is a third party narrater?
show you where it clearly says that they were always together as one God? And i will not make John say anything but pure word.:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD. HE WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1:1-3)
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth(Gen1:1)
They were CLEARLY together, from the beginning.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End", says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (rev1:8)
I and My Father are one.(John 10:30)
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that i speak to you I do not speak on My own authority, but the Father who DWELLS in Me does the work.(John 14:10)
That was just in John alone.
In Hebrews, the Father Himself calls Jesus God!
But to the Son He says:
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;(Heb 1:8)
For in Him dwells ALL THE FULLNESS of the Godhead BODILY.(Col.2:9)
That is pure word, no speculation.
Titus sais: according to the commandment of God our Savior;(1:3) God our Savior?
Where does it say that it was Jesus whom God was talking to? Only in your head my friend. I suggest you consult a head doctor.
I didnt say God was talking to Jesus. Jesus IS the Word. I simply asked you, in Genesis, where it sais, Let US make man.....who is Us?
John the Baptist was a MAN sent by God (John 1:6). Was John with God also?
No, John had a biological father, Zacharias.(Luke1) Who by the way, was told by Gabriel that his son, John, 'will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God'.
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