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We want to stay, but it is getting more and more challenging. For instance We held a Hayesod Messianic foundations class on the subject in the church. We told them it would help the body understand Christianity through a 1st century jewish perspective. We had a faith about of outsiders come but only one other person that actually attends our church came. And she does the same thing I was talking about she does a shabbat with a messianic like church, (one that I don't quite doctrinally agree with) and attends our church... the rest of the church was unresponsive to what we were trying to do and one of the pastors there has recently started reading through the workbook that goes along with the class and it sounds like he is starting to have concerns about what we are doing. We are going to try and get him to actually take the class since we think he might be misunderstanding and making assumptions. The lead pastor trusts us and knows our hearts, but he doesn't have all the say and he has been pressured by other pastors and elders to make decisions he disagreed with so if we "leave" it might not even be our choice. I hope that secondary pastor doesn't try to tell us we are heretics but he may
Sometimes there are certain things that we may not be at liberty to share.....as some people may not be ready to handle it at the time and can only take things in small doses or on a micro-level of impact.
I'm reminded of what occurred in the life of Christ when he noted that the truth was often HIDDEN----for not even the people Christ grew up with (including His own Mother, who was told from the jump who Christ was and who "treasured" many of the things said about Him, Luke 2:50-52 Luke 2/ Luke 2:18-20 / Luke 2/Luke 1:1 ) did not believe Him, John 7:3-5 /John 7 (....and at one point, actually, thought he was crazy for the ministry He started to begin in full force Mark 3:20-22/ Mark 3 , despite all of the other occurances He had already did, from turning water to wine John 2:1-3 John 2 to healing Peter's mother and a Royal official's son, John 4:45-47 / John 4 and many other things...and some things that should've been clear they did not understand, Luke 2:49-51/ Luke 2 (
There is the reality that Truth many times in the life of CHrist was revealed SOLEY by the Father, confirmed by the Son--as with Peter and Christ in Matthew 16:16-18 / Matthew 16 ----and of course, same when Christ made clear that even for those against Him, to a degree they had no clue what they were doing, Luke 23:33-35/John 11:49-51 /on a side note, it makes one wonder about Polemics/Apolegetics and others solely relying on methods/means as if they alone can save and enlighten people when the issue is that people saw Jesus up close and personal-----with them often still not understanding fully, apart from the Spirit opening one's eyes...though other times, things He said were more than clear and He was more than open about people being "dull", Matthew 15:15-17/ Matthew 15 Mark 7:18/Mark 7 Matthew 16:10-12 / Matthew 16 /Mark 8:13-15 / Mark 8 /John 3:9-11 John 3
Luke 9:44-46 / Luke 9/Mark 9:31-33 / Mark 9
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44"Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men." 45But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44"Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men." 45But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.
Jesus Again Predicts His Death
31Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. 33On the third day he will rise again." 34The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.
Luke 18:33-35 / Luke 18
31Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. 33On the third day he will rise again." 34The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.
Luke 18:33-35 / Luke 18
Mark 6:51-53 Mark 6
Immediately he spoke to them and said, "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid." 51Then he climbed into the boat with them, and the wind died down. They were completely amazed, 52for they had not understood about the loaves; their hearts were hardened.
Immediately he spoke to them and said, "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid." 51Then he climbed into the boat with them, and the wind died down. They were completely amazed, 52for they had not understood about the loaves; their hearts were hardened.
John 13:7
Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."
John 13:6-8 John 13
Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."
John 13:6-8 John 13
John 8:27
They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
John 8:26-28 / John 8
They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
John 8:26-28 / John 8
John 10:5-7 John 10
But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.
John 16:24-26 John 16
"Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.
John 16:24-26 John 16
If you've ever seen the movie "Men in Black" (on covert agencies monitoring the activity of alien life on the planet), there was an excellent scene where one of the main characters shared a really memorable quote on how what we know is continually evolving, sometimes to the point of having to discard the things we "knew" even when we thought we arrived..with some things not being able to be shared when it seems others can't handle it:
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