article--Global Warming and how the media slants facts

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Well I know that he doesn't believe in Global Warming. If he did believe in it, he would be a vegetarian, he wouldn't have bought a mansion overlooking the sea (which is supposed to rise and cover the mansion and the state), oh yes, and he wouldn't be jetting all over the place. Nice to know that a person can make so much money hawking something he doesn't even believe in.
 
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Whether Al Gore made money or not, human caused global climate change is real. Al Gore and his behavior have nothing to do with that fact.

Here's a link to a lot of the peer reviewed literature on the subject, organized by research relating to commonly held myths about climate change. Spend some time here, and look at the scientific literature....really, do this, because it's my child's future

Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says
 
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Let's assume everything is true about Gore.
No problem, it's public knowledge.

Why is one non-scientist's behavior somehow proof that the science behind it is made up?
It's not his behavior, it's the other scientists who refute the 'supposed data' he is using.
Does that mean if I can find a Catholic behaving like an idiot, I can conclude that Church is completely wrong?
No comparison, because the CHURCH is God's and the Global Warming is debate among fallible humans.
 
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It's not his behavior, it's the other scientists who refute the 'supposed data' he is using.
And yet every time I see a list posted of these scientists they either:

A) Are misrepresented. Their papers do not disprove climate change, but disagree with some of the findings.
B) Do not have any papers published.
No comparison, because the CHURCH is God's and the Global Warming is debate among fallible humans.

I will just *cough*. ;)
 
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I'm sorry, are conservatives against people making money now? ;) What are you guys, some kind of socialists? ;)

Look, science is science. You can deny global climate change, just like some people denied the earth was round, but, guess what? Claiming the earth is flat doesn't make it any less round, and claiming that the climate isn't changing doesn't prevent it from happening. I don't care how hypocritical you think Al Gore is, he's still a prophet in his time (In a non-religious sense). Had we listened to him, thousands of people who have died due to global climate change might be alive today, and the millions who will die in the future might have been saved preemptively. Your denialism has real world consequences.
 
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Let's say that global warming doesn't exist (theoretically--of course it does).

Even if we don't have environmental reasons for conserving and finding alternative energy sources, we have economic and peace-related reasons.

1) the Middle East will continue to be a threat as long as we continue to fund it lavishly with our oil purchases. Its power to threaten us is directly proportional to the amount of money it has to do so. And so if we can find alternative sources of energy and oil drops down to $50 a barrel--rejoice--we've struck a huge blow to terrorism.

2) Despite all the moaning about the exorbitant cost of solar panels, the fact exists that the price drops proportionately with mass production. And once solar and wind energy units are paid for, there is virtually no overhead.

So, yeah, pretend global warming doesn't exist, stick your head in the sand (remember sand's hot when the weather is) but recognize that our dependence on foreign oil is bad for other reasons--and do something about it.
 
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Let's say that global warming doesn't exist (theoretically--of course it does).

Even if we don't have environmental reasons for conserving and finding alternative energy sources, we have economic and peace-related reasons.

1) the Middle East will continue to be a threat as long as we continue to fund it lavishly with our oil purchases. Its power to threaten us is directly proportional to the amount of money it has to do so. And so if we can find alternative sources of energy and oil drops down to $50 a barrel--rejoice--we've struck a huge blow to terrorism.

2) Despite all the moaning about the exorbitant cost of solar panels, the fact exists that the price drops proportionately with mass production. And once solar and wind energy units are paid for, there is virtually no overhead.

So, yeah, pretend global warming doesn't exist, stick your head in the sand (remember sand's hot when the weather is) but recognize that our dependence on foreign oil is bad for other reasons--and do something about it.


Keep dreaming, Fantine. Global Warming is only a hoax.

Janice
 
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I link to loads of scientific research (the peer reviewed kind) discussing global warming, and you post this?????????????

Prove it.


Yes, I post this!!!!!!!!

Why? Because of equilibrium. Look it up.

Janice
 
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Heck no I'm not against people making money. :clap: :clap: :clap: Just seems kind of 'odd' how much Al Gore made off global warming. By the way, according to scientists, in the next few years we are prone to have more hurricaines, much like the 1950s.

References please...if it's according to scientists, it should be fairly easy to find.

Here's some sources from the scientific literature on the relationship between hurricanes and climate change. The questions scientists are asking is if the intensity of the storms is increasing and if their paths are changing.
Is extreme weather caused by global warming?

On the 1950's hurricane season, here is this data. Yes, there were a lot of hurricanes (in the US, but remember this is a global issue and I'm looking for storm strike data globally). The most recent data hasn't been published, but the ratio of severe hurricanes to total hurricanes was higher in the past recorded decade than in the 1950's

U.S. HURRICANE STRIKES BY DECADE
 
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Yes, I post this!!!!!!!!

Why? Because of equilibrium. Look it up.

Janice

What do you mean by equilibrium?

I'm editing this because I want to make sure I understand what you mean. Equilibrium basically means all things are balanced...but in different scientific disciplines it takes on different meanings. For instance, when I think equilibrium, I tend to think steady state...when some property is not changing with regard to time. For instance, when two bodies are in thermal equilibrium, they are no longer exchanging heat and their temperature difference is zero. Or if a reservoir is in equilibrium the fluid going out is balanced by the fluid coming in so the pressure isn't changing anymore with respect to time. I'm not sure what you believe is in equilibrium, as the temperature of the earth is not steady state, but is rising.

So, I'm wondering if you are actually referring to the idea of naturally occurring cycles, or if you do mean equilibrium is the reason you don't believe climate change exists.

There is the concept of equilibrium climate sensitivity described here: http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/345.htm If that is what you are referring to, then I'm not sure how that proves global warming is a hoax.

If you give me a bit more detail, it would help in 'looking it up'
 
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What do you mean by equilibrium? If what you are saying is true, then there should be peer reviewed research to support it. I've posted the data and research to support my position...now show me yours.


Well, equilibrium is what the world does to balance herself. Have you noticed it?

When I do dishes I put water into the sink. The water doesn't get higher in one spot than it does in another. That is equilibrium.

When the temperatures get warmer in the summer, the temperatures get colder in the winter. Equilibrium.

When the world is out of balance, equilibrium gets it back in balance.

The world may get warmer, but that is just a phase the world goes through. It has been through that phase before.

I don't trust all scientists. Not because I think they cheated in school, which I don't. But because they could easily have an agenda. It also depends on who was paying for the scientists to do the study.

And, I trust in God to keep me safe.

Janice
 
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Well, equilibrium is what the world does to balance herself. Have you noticed it?

When I do dishes I put water into the sink. The water doesn't get higher in one spot than it does in another. That is equilibrium.

When the temperatures get warmer in the summer, the temperatures get colder in the winter. Equilibrium.

When the world is out of balance, equilibrium gets it back in balance.

The world may get warmer, but that is just a phase the world goes through. It has been through that phase before.

I don't trust all scientists. Not because I think they cheated in school, which I don't. But because they could easily have an agenda. It also depends on who was paying for the scientists to do the study.

And, I trust in God to keep me safe.

Janice

It's a natural cycle

God trusted in us to take care of the planet and use our God-given talents to do so.

and it's kind of funny to me that those who say they don't trust the 97% of climate scientists that accept climate change, seem to trust the remaining 3%, many of whom are funded by companies that have a vested interest in denying climate change. If you think it's all the money, who has the greater interest to protect?

I'm sorry for editing a post after you had already composed your reply, but I did talk a bit about the definition of equilibrium in the edited version to try and understand what you are describing. Might be worth looking at.
 
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It's a natural cycle

God trusted in us to take care of the planet and use our God-given talents to do so.

and it's kind of funny to me that those who say they don't trust the 97% of climate scientists that accept climate change, seem to trust the remaining 3%, many of whom are funded by companies that have a vested interest in denying climate change. If you think it's all the money, who has the greater interest to protect?

I'm sorry for editing a post after you had already composed your reply, but I did talk a bit about the definition of equilibrium in the edited version to try and understand what you are describing. Might be worth looking at.

I did look at what you had edited into your post, after I had posted my reply.

My whole life is not worried about climate change. If it happens, it happens. Should we go back to horses and give up cars? We can employ people to get rid of the feces. Should we give up airplanes and electricity? Should we give up most of the conveniences of our country so the world can stay the temperature it is presently? Perhaps. And I think we would be a better country if we did. No more TV. No more bombardment of ads to make us want to buy, buy, buy.

Janice
 
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