The Republican Party is reeling from defeat, what changes should they make?

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If it is something people want and they are willing to watch it then it will be on television. You go out and get either advertisement money or donations. That is how it should work. If it is important enough to enough people it shouldn't be a problem for them to raise money for it. We should not be putting money that as a country we don't have into something that should be privately funded.


Except that in the case of commercial television, the goal isn't educate children, as it was for PBS, but instead, to spin the interest towards purchasing products advertised.

If you notice, more and more television programs are including commercials within the featured program itself.

This going to become more and more prominent, as more people purchase DV-R boxes, where they can just fast forward through commercials.

PBS puts more emphasis on the content of the program over the commercial ads they can sell.


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Yes, I know Republicans would rather tell the elderly to jump off a cliff than to continue a Social Security program which could easily become solvent with some young immigrants contributing.

As usual, they would rather harm the elderly and prevent people escaping economic deprivation and, sometimes, political persecution from working towards a better life (it's what they call a win-win situation).

What is above? Anger? Hatred? or just another delusional opinion. You are so far left, your left isn't left anymore. Anyway you ought be very happy these days, so praise God for your vote for Obama and the drip drip drip of turning our country into a socialistic one.
 
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What is above? Anger? Hatred? or just another delusional opinion. You are so far left, your left isn't left anymore. Anyway you ought be very happy these days, so praise God for your vote for Obama and the drip drip drip of turning our country into a socialistic one.

Psychological Projection
 
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Except that in the case of commercial television, the goal isn't educate children, as it was for PBS, but instead, to spin the interest towards purchasing products advertised.

If you notice, more and more television programs are including commercials within the featured program itself.

This going to become more and more prominent, as more people purchase DV-R boxes, where they can just fast forward through commercials.

PBS puts more emphasis on the content of the program over the commercial ads they can sell.


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Ok, but like I said if people want it then let them donate their money to it. EWTN and many other Christian networks use the same model and they are not getting federal funds. PBS should do the same thing. The point is that right now if we as a country want to get out of this horrible financial mess that we are in we need to understand we can't afford this stuff any longer.

Remember this number: $16,680,160,235,247 that is our national dept and it is climbing very fast.
 
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My point is the government needs to get back to its basic responsibilities. The need to get out of all this frivilous stuff that they are in now. An in my opinion furlough all non-essential government personnel and don't invite them back. And after doing this go visit every governmental department and the ones that are empty close them and those that are no consolidate. That would be an excellent start.
 
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My point is the government needs to get back to its basic responsibilities. The need to get out of all this frivilous stuff that they are in now. An in my opinion furlough all non-essential government personnel and don't invite them back. And after doing this go visit every governmental department and the ones that are empty close them and those that are no consolidate. That would be an excellent start.

Frivolous like what, educating people? Ensuring safe food, air and water? Building infrastructure?
 
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My point is the government needs to get back to its basic responsibilities. The need to get out of all this frivilous stuff that they are in now. An in my opinion furlough all non-essential government personnel and don't invite them back. And after doing this go visit every governmental department and the ones that are empty close them and those that are no consolidate. That would be an excellent start.

How does one determine non-essential personnel?

Maybe a read of Atlas Shrugged for suggestions? "I vow to be beholden to no man and that no man be beholden to me" or words to that effect.

Or perhaps Matthew 25 for guidance. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give the thirsty to drink, tend to the sick, welcome the stranger, visit those in prison? Hmmm....
 
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If we are going to get out of this mess, we need educated people. Gutting programs that help while refusing to look at higher taxes on the wealthy or cutting back the military is moving us in the wrong direction.
Do you understand how much money is spent on education? We spend more money per child than any other country. Our education problems have nothing to do with money, it has to do with how we are educating our children.

Our entire education system needs to be reformed completely. Throwing money into the current system does only one thing: fill the pockets of somebody, and then at the end of the day we have the same problems. The whole system needs to be completely reformed and if we did that we could probably cut our education costs while producing smarter children.

http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/
 
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Do you understand how much money is spent on education? We spend more money per child than any other country. Our education problems have nothing to do with money, it has to do with how we are educating our children.

Yeah, we spend more on education and probably get the worst results. I completely agree with you!

We need to move away from a system that teaches to a test. There needs to be an effort to teach children to think, not just memorize how to pass the standardized tests and then forget the information.
 
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Do you see programs like the ones on PBS as having no educational value as compared to their costs?

How do you propose we reform education in a way that saves money and ensures all children get a quality education that prepares them for success regardless of their families ability to pay.
 
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How does one determine non-essential personnel?
The government already has that figured out. Every time we have a budget crisis and the government has to shut down, only essential personnel are not furloughed. So that means they already know who are and are not essential.

Maybe a read of Atlas Shrugged for suggestions? "I vow to be beholden to no man and that no man be beholden to me" or words to that effect.
I'm Christian not an athiest.

Or perhaps Matthew 25 for guidance. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give the thirsty to drink, tend to the sick, welcome the stranger, visit those in prison? Hmmm....
You do understand that message is directed at you and me and every single Christian and not to our or anyone else's government. These are our responsibilities and our callings.

The government should provide a safety net for those who have fallen on hard times, and it should be organized to help people get out of those hard times. Being dependent on the government should be only temporary and not a way of life, which it has become to a whole lot of people. But I guess it is good in many people's minds for people to be dependent.
 
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The government already has that figured out. Every time we have a budget crisis and the government has to shut down, only essential personnel are not furloughed. So that means they already know who are and are not essential.

I once worked at a government help desk. Whenever non-essential personnel were sent home, we were sent home because we were not on the essential list. However, I think you can see that we clearly had a function that was needed, it's just that people could wait a day or two in order to have a computer problem resolved.
 
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I'm with Cos on this one. I think the problem with the Republican party is that they're trying to cover too many bases at once; they want to appeal to the conservative base, who care about family values and gay marriage and abortion, and at the same time they want to get to the classic liberal branch that doesn't really care about that so much, but would like to see smaller governments, lower taxes and market deregulation. As a result they've become so wishy-washy that nobody trusts them anymore. Romney had major problems with this, but it's not entirely his fault because he isn't the only one who dictates the campaign message. I think America could do with a broad centrist party with moderate libertarian views.

Oh, I don't know. Some of those herbs sure can rock you. And I never found comfort with what some dealers are willing to put in their marijuana, nor do I find comfort with how some of them dry their marijuana.

One of the reasons why the Dutch started to regulate and legalise it was that they could now check the contents and standardise them (well, sort of). The stuff you get in coffee shops comes in different varieties, and once you've tried it out you can ask for the same variety and you'll know exactly what you get.

If you're implying that weed is the liberal recreational drug of choice, then what would the conservative recreational drug of choice be?

Vintage Scotch for the upper class, cans of lukewarm beer for the lower half?

I mean, if we're talking stereotypes...

If it is something people want and they are willing to watch it then it will be on television. You go out and get either advertisement money or donations. That is how it should work. If it is important enough to enough people it shouldn't be a problem for them to raise money for it. We should not be putting money that as a country we don't have into something that should be privately funded.

I think you're wrong there. I think the government has a job to educate and to offer more than the lowest common denominator.

The BBC, for instance, takes up a lot of money and not all of what they produce is good (barring Mitchell & Webb, the Office and the IT Crowd I've yet to find a comedy of theirs that's actually funny), but they have brilliant TV, from qualitatively high series like Sherlock and Luther to shows like QI and Have I Got News For You to serious documentaries and interviews. It costs a lot of money, sure, but not nearly as much as PBS and the BBC's Nielsen ratings aren't exactly low either.

You are so far left, your left isn't left anymore.

You are really terrible at punning.

Maybe a read of Atlas Shrugged for suggestions? "I vow to be beholden to no man and that no man be beholden to me" or words to that effect.

Can I just reiterate my offer to send my copy of Atlas Shrugged for free to anyone who still thinks Ayn Rand has got some pretty rad ideas, but has never read any of her work?
 
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The government already has that figured out. Every time we have a budget crisis and the government has to shut down, only essential personnel are not furloughed. So that means they already know who are and are not essential.

I'm Christian not an athiest.

You do understand that message is directed at you and me and every single Christian and not to our or anyone else's government. These are our responsibilities and our callings.

The government should provide a safety net for those who have fallen on hard times, and it should be organized to help people get out of those hard times. Being dependent on the government should be only temporary and not a way of life, which it has become to a whole lot of people. But I guess it is good in many people's minds for people to be dependent.

I don't disagree, but I believe that the government's job in a democratic republic is to protect and form society. The government acts as our agent and on our behalf because in a society as interconnected as ours, it is necessary to have an accountable agency to deal with society and its issues as a whole. The key is that this take place in a democratic republic where the government is responsible to the people through fair and open elections.

It must not be forgotten that no person stands alone. We stand or fall together.

And as to salvation, Christianity is anything BUT individualistic (as someone on CAF once said). We are saved together but damned alone. I mean, just try receiving the sacraments all by yourself.
 
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Do you see programs like the ones on PBS as having no educational value as compared to their costs?
I'm not saying that PBS has no educational value. What I am saying is that PBS should be supported by the public through donations or advertisement and not dependent upon the government.

There are several networks that run on similar models as PBS. EWTN is one of them. EWTN survives on private donations alone without any support (that I know of) from the federal government. Why can't PBS do the same?

How do you propose we reform education in a way that saves money and ensures all children get a quality education that prepares them for success regardless of their families ability to pay.
I would simplify it. I am married to a teacher and have one kid in highschool (a senior) and another in middle school (7th grade), so I'm not saying this living in a bubble.

Here is what I would do: I would establish a core, i.e. language, math, science, & philosophy (particularly logic & ethics). Language, science and math are self explanatory, so I will explain why philosophy.

Teaching kids logic teaches them how to think. At this time in our schools we are not doing this, except possibly in math. We are trying to force as much information in their heads and we are thinking this is making them smarter and it isn't. Logic will make them smarter. It will give them the tools they need to evaluate information and establish a logical conclusion. I remember when I first started college I spent alot of time studying and craming, until I took just one class in logic. What I was taught clicked for me and after I applied the tools given to me in that class my study time went way down. I was able to pick things up alot quicker the first time. And I wasn't just passing the classes either. My GPA was over 3.9, and that was with having my first child one semester where I did get two C's because my first child didn't sleep and neither did I. So logic helped my significantly.

Ethics, well lets just be honest it isn't taught. Not in school and not at home. Most parents don't understand ethics enough themselves much less teach it to their children. And this doesn't have to be Christian ethics. It can be classical ethics so the secularist won't have a cow. Anyway ethics teaches people how to interact with their fellow man. And just from experience with my own children, their friends, and the youth I have coached in sports, this is probably the area that most kids have the most problem with and no body is helping them.

Ok, that is my 4 core subjects. How would I set this all up. Personally I would make a more gradual growth in subjects throughout the 13 years of education. And I would not teach anything that I would test kids on that would not be fairly commonly used as an adult. I would stop trying to teach kids stuff that they would never ever use unless they entered a very specific field. If classes were given on these type of subjects they would not be graded or tested. It would be an introductory class and nothing more.

Here is an example: I remember there was one year my son was taking Algebra II. Anyway the stuff he was bringing home was stuff he would never ever use in personal or work life unless he became a scientist or an engineer. I mean he was learning quadratic equations, matrices, high level statistics, etc. Tell me when an average person is going to use these skills? And if my son did become a scientist or an engineer, they would teach him all of this stuff again in college. And by the time he got to college he wouldn't remember what he learned in that class. In fact if you put a quadratic equation in front of him today, he probably couldn't do it. So why teach every single student stuff they will never ever use unless they go into very specific fields?

Another example is history classes. When I was a kid I remember the tests we had in history. What date did .... happen? That was our normal questions on our tests. What??? Really??? How many people who took world history in high school remember the exact date when X happened? Back then I absolutely hated history, hated it because they kept trying to force these dates into my brain instead of focussing on teaching me what happened. Today I love history it is one of my favorite subjects, but it took me a long time to get over my initial hatred for the subject.

Anyway back on the subject:

1) I would have four cores: language, math, science and philosophy.
2) These three cores will be taught more gradually to the students.
3) These cores will be the only thing I test them on.
4) I would not test kids on high level advanced stuff especially in math, science and philosophy. My goal would be that when a child graduated from high school, he would have a solid educational foundation that he can use throughout his life, whether he/she goes to college or straight into the workforce.
5) All other classes given would be electives and would not be tested. They would be introductory with the goal of inducing within the kids a desire to know more about these subjects and possible fields of study.
6) I would understand that every child grows at different rates and have it setup so that if a child is prgressing faster than the rest of his/her classmates, he/she can be moved up in grade level, but top this to no higher than two grade levels. For those falling behind, they can be moved back one grade level.

Anyway this is a summary of what I would do.
 
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I once worked at a government help desk. Whenever non-essential personnel were sent home, we were sent home because we were not on the essential list. However, I think you can see that we clearly had a function that was needed, it's just that people could wait a day or two in order to have a computer problem resolved.
Like I said all non-essential personnel should be furloughed and not called back. Are people loosing jobs yes they are and that does suck. But if you can't afford those jobs any longer, which quite honestly we can't, then they have to go.

By the way here is the national dept as of now: $16,680,344,809,850. As you can see it is constantly climbing, wait now it is: $16,680,346,171,490
 
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Like I said all non-essential personnel should be furloughed and not called back. Are people loosing jobs yes they are and that does suck. But if you can't afford those jobs any longer, which quite honestly we can't, then they have to go.

By the way here is the national dept as of now: $16,680,344,809,850. As you can see it is constantly climbing, wait now it is: $16,680,346,171,490

So you believe IT support is not worth paying for?
 
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I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Me? I'd suggest that they:

Embrace a true small government platform. Part of that has to be a reduction in military staffing and spending without a significant reduction in war fighting capabilities (similar to what we did after Reagan left office. He extended the life of literally useless, obsolete ships just so we could point at how many ships we had. The Knox/Bronstein/Garcia Frigates were examples that come to mind). Another part has to be a rethink of drugs, freedom and our prison system. If there isn't a /really/ good reason to take away a man's freedoms, the conservative should want to see him left alone. There is no good reason to jail or fine people who use marijuana. We have a moral obligation to stop hurting the permanent job prospects of these people with offences on their permanent records. In addition to the morality of unneeded lockup, there's the financial aspect. If a person doesn't have to be kept apart from society, then money shouldn't be spent to lock them up.

I also suggest that they work toward finding a likable candidate. I thought Bob Dole was likeable, but I guess I was the only one. Bush2 was likable. McCain was not. Romney was not. Romney was also not relatable.

Lastly, I wish that they would embrace a moral high ground in campaigning. I detest liberals and I expect the worst from them. I expect conservative men-of-God to rise up and denounce those in their party who support them with misleading advertisements or mud-slinging, but we haven't seen that. I also expect the conservative man-of-God to be consistent, open and honest. While Mr. Romney was not obligated to release all of his tax returns, it was the right thing to do. His country asked, he should have said "be my guest, here you go!" He also shamelessly flip-flopped his stance on major issues depending who his audience was. This is not the behavior I expect from a conservative Christian man. State your case honestly. If you favor some abortions, don't let people paint you as pro-life. If you oppose abortion in all cases, say it loud and proud.
The same thing the Catholic Church needs to do. Return to Orthodoxy. The Tea Party is that, in regards to GOP politics.

I disagree with you regarding the military. And Reagan did not extend old ships to bolster the size of the Navy. He built new ships to replace old ones as possible. The Navy had been neglected since the end of the Vietnam War, but look-we're just decommisioning the USS Enterprise, which was built in the 60's. Ships, once built, have a 40-50 year lifespan because they're refitted every four years. I believe in modernizing the military, and having a force that can protect our national interests.

Romney is not a conservative. He's a moderate.
 
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