Time to let go Margo!

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No, it isn't. By definition.


If someone terminally ill and suffering wishes for a painless end for it then there's no reason why we should not, as good people allow them to have that end. It is not barbaric if they wish for it.

The problem is that you do it in spiritual ignorance. The insight that you lack creates problems in the eternal realm when you dispatch individuals into a lost eternity with the opportunity to be reconciled with their Creator before it is too late.

Why not leave spiritual matters to those who know best?
 
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The problem is that you do it in spiritual ignorance.
I couldn't care less if I do it in "spiritual ignorance". I respect the wishes of others when it comes to their own path in life. If "spiritual ignorance" means I recognise people's own right to their own choices then I am happy to be it.

The insight that you lack creates problems in the eternal realm when you dispatch individuals into a lost eternity with the opportunity to be reconciled with their Creator before it is too late.
I don't believe in an "eternal realm".

Why not leave spiritual matters to those who know best?
I leave it with the people who do know best: Those who actually are terminally ill and who want to end their suffering. They, more than you or I know about their condition and the effects it has on them and they have every right to make that decision for themselves.

That you claim some insight and label this as a "spiritual matter" doesn't matter. It was never your right to dictate to others what they can or can't do here.
 
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Hah! I scoff at your silliness ;)

Crazy guy standing in the middle of the road goading police: "Kill me!"

Police: "Ok." *gunfire*.

If you're going to be silly, then by all means reread my post with "informed consent" instead of just "consent", which was the intended meaning.

Any comment on the rest of the post, or was this just a drive-by scoffing?


Our dialogue was destined to end with such an outburst! But that doesn't change the facts.

The facts which you are choosing to ignore.

You are trying to impose your religious beliefs on others through law, meaning that people who are suffering and who genuinely wish for a quick, painless and dignified death, are being denied it, and forced to endure excruciating pain. That is disgusting and barbaric, and no better than forcing women to cover up their faces with a burkha.

Once again, who are you to decide whether or not I am allowed to die with dignity at a time of my choosing?
 
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You are trying to impose your religious beliefs on others through law, meaning that people who are suffering and who genuinely wish for a quick, painless and dignified death, are being denied it, and forced to endure excruciating pain. That is disgusting and barbaric, and no better than forcing women to cover up their faces with a burkha.

Once again, who are you to decide whether or not I am allowed to die with dignity at a time of my choosing?

I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone, nor am I responsible for the existence of the law, but I do have the right to defend it.

Not my decision how you end your life, but it is my right to ensure that you have all the facts.
 
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It was never your right to dictate to others what they can or can't do here.

It is my right and my responsibility before my Holy God and Creator to warn others, as I have His call upon my life I don't need you to tell me what I can or cannot do!

Matt 28: 18 - 20 "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
 
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It is my right and my responsibility before my Holy God and Creator to warn others, as I have His call upon my life I don't need you to tell me what I can or cannot do!

Matt 28: 18 - 20 "Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
No-one anywhere has to recognise that right. It is no more convincing to me than a Muslim telling me that they have a right to do the same.
 
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The problem is that you do it in spiritual ignorance. The insight that you lack creates problems in the eternal realm when you dispatch individuals into a lost eternity with the opportunity to be reconciled with their Creator before it is too late.
Our lives, our decision to make. You can't force your religion on us, no matter how much some would like to.

Why not leave spiritual matters to those who know best?

I think I know best about spiritual matters when I say there's no such thing as the spiritual.

What makes your opinion any more valid than mine?


I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone, nor am I responsible for the existence of the law, but I do have the right to defend it.
You have the right to defend it on logical grounds. What you do not have the right to do is to say "Jesus wants this, so it should be the law". That is denying others their religious freedom. It is exactly the same thing as forcing all women in Saudi Arabia to wear Islamic dress, or if Israel banned all of its citizens from eating pork. Or even if say Estonia banned people from receiving communion. It's scary how many religious people can't see that.

Not my decision how you end your life, but it is my right to ensure that you have all the facts.

You can give me all the facts you want. Preach on the street, send me letters, appear on TV, but at the end of the day, the decision about how my life is going to end should be mine.
 
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