Time to let go Margo!
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Cromulent
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It is very relevant to the thread. You have said that people need to be shown there are consequences for their "wrong choices". From the context of the euthanasia debate, it is clear you support using the law to force this upon them. In the eyes of God, the worst thing you can ever do is not to believe in him, he'll forgive any other sin, but if you aren't a christian, he's going to send you to hell.
So do you support making the "wrong choice" of atheism illegal, in the same way you support making the "wrong choice" of euthanasia illegal?
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I am not using any law to force anything on anyone, I am merely pointing to the fact that the law, which is not likely to change is biblically based.
God gives us free will to believe or not, but warns us that the wrong choice will lead to eternal consequences (hence Jn 3: 16 - 18). The consequences are at the Creators hand not mine.
Euthanasia is illegal, a manmade law based on God's revealed will.
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Cromulent
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And we are arguing that:
-The "biblically based law" is absurd and immoral.
and
-The bible can take a hike. It's your book, not mine. If you think your god doesn't like euthanasia, then I suggest you don't get euthanised. Personally, when I go, I would like it to be a painless, dignified exit at a time of my own choosing, surrounded by my friends and family, and performed by a compassionate and skilled professional.
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That,s the problem,
who knows when that time will come?
Also, too much is taken for granted, does God owe us anything,
that He must follow our whims and whiles?
One moment we are here, the next we are gone,
That,s serious stuff, so even if it feels good to say "the Bible can take a hike" there may come circumstance that will change your tune.
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"...the practice or act of deliberately inflicting severe physical pain and possibly injury on a person."
The UK Government has banned torture. This includes poisoning to death, which is what euthanasia is. Not killing someone by poison seems to me to be the exact opposite of torture.
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SithDoughnut
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Painlessly poisoning to death at the request of the person being killed is not torture, by any definition.
Forcing someone to suffer unnecessarily seems pretty close to me.
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Cromulent
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I strongly doubt it, but I try to keep an open mind.
But even if I do start believing in the bible, anyone reading this has permission to kick me in the love spuds as hard as they can with steel-toed boots if I start thinking that my personal beliefs should be imposed on others.
As for when my time will come, I think I'll probably know it when it happens. It's hardly like I'm making an irrevocable appointment with the needle 60 years from now!
Painlessly facilitating the death of someone is not torture. Note the word "painless".
Torture includes things such as starvation and denial of water, which would bring relief to a preexisting condition. To me, denying a death that, let me remind you, the patient wants, and has asked for, falls under the same category of torture as these.
Nobody's going to euthanise you if you don't want it. Why should you have the right to tell me how I am to die?
No, it's not. It's only murder if the victim doesn't consent.
I agree. However, euthanasia is killing people because they ask, not just because they're sick
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Hah! I scoff at your silliness
Crazy guy standing in the middle of the road goading police: "Kill me!"
Police: "Ok." *gunfire*.
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Well, I,m not imposing my personal beliefs on anyone, if that is what you meant,
Was speaking from an experience, a man who had shown no apparent intrest in the Bible earlier, he became seriously ill, I went to visit him,
because I knew him and it was sad to see him lying there.
When I came into his room, he was flicking through a Bible,
he asked me to show him where a certain passage was, I showed him,
he said, thank you, and that he wanted to read that passage later, alone.
So I was just pointing out how circumstances can change.
In any case, on a forum like this, it is to be expected, so is it.
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