Time to let go Margo!

Robban · Nov 5, 2012

Gadarene said:
Was I where? Construct an actual question, not soundbites.

You said being born to die is hopeless. It's not an unreasonable assumption from that.

Or perhaps you shouldn't be assuming that the lives of people who disagree with you on the matter of eternal life are hopeless and should be just drunkenly partying?

Extend the same courtesy to others, then you'll have it extended back.

Looks like your halo is slipping.

If you have read the NT at all, you would discover that is was a form of reasoning used by Paul,
If it is true that that dead are not resurrected,

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Robban said:
Yes, He knows.

For He knows our nature;
He is mindful that we are but dust,
As for man, his days are like grass;
like a flower of the field,
so he sprouts.

When the wind passes over him, he is gone;
his place recognizes him no more.

But the kindness of the Lord is forever and ever upon those who fear Him,
and His righteousness is (secured) for childrens children.
(from Psalms 103)

For He looked down from His Holy heights;
from heaven,
the Lord gazed upon the earth,
to hear the cry of the bound,
to untie those who are doomed to die,
(Psalms 102)

Is it not the idea in Christian teaching that,
He came in order to free those who have been held captive their whole lives, captives unto the fear of death?

Read the whole of John's Gospel to find your answer.

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

SithDoughnut said:
Either God alone chooses when people live or die, or we get to choose too. You don't get to bring in the sanctity of life argument for one thing, but ignore it for another. Either we should ban the armed forces and life support, or we are permitted to have some control over our own and other people's lives. Unless you think you have the right to decide what God can control and what he can't?

He has given us;

1. Free will, but like in life with wrong choices come consequences.

2. His Holy Word (the manual for humanity).

3. Brains.

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Skavau said:
And you want it to remain illegal, no?

I want the UK to retain its biblical basis for the laws already in place.

SithDoughnut · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
He has given us;

1. Free will, but like in life with wrong choices come consequences.

2. His Holy Word (the manual for humanity).

3. Brains.

None of which tell us that euthanasia is inherently wrong, or should be illegal.

Skavau · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
I want the UK to retain its biblical basis for the laws already in place.

So you again, want those laws to remain in place thus you are against people's right to choose when to end their life.

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Skavau said:
So you again, want those laws to remain in place thus you are against people's right to choose when to end their life.

Got it

Skavau · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
Got it

So in this case, you're not in favour of people being allowed to choose what they want.

So when Paradoxum said:
" ...but it is their liberty to do with their life as they wish."

And you said, in response:
"Absolutely, but with wrong choices come consequences!!!"

You weren't being entirely truthful.

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Skavau said:
So in this case, you're not in favour of people being allowed to choose what they want.

So when Paradoxum said:
" ...but it is their liberty to do with their life as they wish."

And you said, in response:
"Absolutely, but with wrong choices come consequences!!!"

You weren't being entirely truthful.

Not the case at all. There is a paradox here. Yes we have free will, yes people can choose, but not all choices are good ones! Hence, the need to remind ourselves that God our Creator knows what is best for us and wrong choices will have consequences as a result.

Skavau · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
Not the case at all. There is a paradox here. Yes we have free will, yes people can choose, but not all choices are good ones! Hence, the need to remind ourselves that God our Creator knows what is best for us and wrong choices will have consequences as a result.

You would keep euthanasia completely illegal. You would have legal framework in place to prevent terminally ill and suffering people from ending their own life. That you would do that is preventing their own choice.

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Skavau said:
You would keep euthanasia completely illegal. You would have legal framework in place to prevent terminally ill and suffering people from ending their own life. That you would do that is preventing their own choice.

I have made my position clear as a born again, bible believing Christian. Why are you hounding me?

Skavau · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
I have made my position clear as a born again, bible believing Christian. Why are you hounding me?

Just pointing out that in certain instances you are against people having the ability "to do with their life as they wish".

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Skavau said:
Just pointing out that in certain instances you are against people having the ability "to do with their life as they wish".

No, I have clearly outlined the paradox involved.

Gadarene · Nov 5, 2012

Robban said:
Looks like your halo is slipping.

I never claimed I was wearing one - you're the one who wants courtesy that you won't give to others.

If you have read the NT at all, you would discover that is was a form of reasoning used by Paul,
If it is true that that dead are not resurrected,

You seem to have trailed off here, I'm assuming you're referring to "then our faith is void"?

That doesn't mean life is meaningless. It only means that you reject Christian ideas of meaning. As with morals etc - yours isn't the only game in town.

Robban · Nov 5, 2012

Gadarene said:
I never claimed I was wearing one - you're the one who wants courtesy that you won't give to others.

You seem to have trailed off here, I'm assuming you're referring to "then our faith is void"?

That doesn't mean life is meaningless. It only means that you reject Christian ideas of meaning. As with morals etc - yours isn't the only game in town.

Whatever are you talking about?

Gadarene · Nov 5, 2012

Robban said:
Whatever are you talking about?

I'm working on a surmise because your last post was apparently incomplete.

Robban · Nov 5, 2012

Gadarene said:
I'm working on a surmise because your last post was apparently incomplete.

OK, Iv,e gone back to post#36,
So is it there your problem has arisen?

Skavau · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
No, I have clearly outlined the paradox involved.

There's no paradox. If you would have it so the law prevents people from making certain decisions (such as choosing to end their own life) then you would in fact be against allowing them to do so.

Paradoxum · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
Not the case at all. There is a paradox here. Yes we have free will, yes people can choose, but not all choices are good ones! Hence, the need to remind ourselves that God our Creator knows what is best for us and wrong choices will have consequences as a result.

So you would be ok with euthanasia and assisted suicide being legal, as long as you were free voice your disagreement?

Cromulent · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
Not the case at all. There is a paradox here. Yes we have free will, yes people can choose, but not all choices are good ones! Hence, the need to remind ourselves that God our Creator knows what is best for us and wrong choices will have consequences as a result.

So what consequences would you impose for making the wrong choice of religion (the one thing God supposedly doesn't forgive)?

Time to let go Margo!

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