A step too far by Stonewall

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Genersis said:
This lying:
Cardinal Slams Gay Marriage As 'Madness'

Try and find something he said that's true in that article.
I guess he got part of a sentence right, with "...all the legal rights of marriage are already available to homosexual couples...".
Pity, i don't round up.

Bah, who am i kidding; you're probably one of the peeps who buys into every word of it.

I only base my beliefs on God's Holy unerrant Word, and if He says it is wrong that is good enough for me!!

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Bungle_Bear said:
Piffle. As the basis for the world's largest religion it can hardly be considered unpopular

But you are understood by people with different agendas. The problem is that your outdated views are not supportable. The cardinal trotted out all the usual scaremonger arguments without providing a single shred of evidence to support any of his claims. If he wants to be taken seriously then he should bring something worthwhile and supportable to the debate, not just spout nonsense.

If you, and others, consider the bible to be outdated, then there is no further point to debating.

Bungle_Bear · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
If you, and others, consider the bible to be outdated, then there is no further point to debating.

Not true. It matters not if I think the bible is outdated if it has something to offer in support of your arguments. However, there is no point debating if you have nothing to support your argument.

So, if you can find something in the bible which shows how same sex marriage will lead to any of the various claimed breakdowns in the fabric of society then bring it on.

Genersis · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
I only base my beliefs on God's Holy unerrant Word, and if He says it is wrong that is good enough for me!!

Most beliefs held on "God's Holy unerrant Word" when it comes to homosexuality isn't even remotely in the scriptures.

Beyond saying you should kill homosexuals, that God makes people homosexual to punish them for idol worship, and that they are destined for hell, anything else said to be in the bible when it comes to the topic are normally complete fabrications.

Cjwinnit · Nov 5, 2012

Bungle_Bear said:
So, if you can find something in the bible which shows how same sex marriage will lead to any of the various claimed breakdowns in the fabric of society then bring it on.

Try this one then: Every single country that has brought in SSM has had a drop in the marriage rate.

Gadarene · Nov 5, 2012

Cjwinnit said:
Try this one then: Every single country that has brought in SSM has had a drop in the marriage rate.

Source needed.

Also, the implied claim that a reduction in marriage will lead to a breakdown of society needs to be justified as well.

Given how many marriages end up in divorce, I would certainly hope there is a drop in the marriage rate - it could mean less mismatched marriages.

Cjwinnit · Nov 5, 2012

Gadarene said:
Given how many marriages end up in divorce,

Not many in comparison to cohabitation. On starting a cohabiting relationship, within 5 years 40% will have married, 50% will have split up and only 10% will still be unmarried cohabitees. Given that the majority of marriages last for the rest of the couple's lives, I think marriage is still in great health when compared to the alternatives.

SithDoughnut · Nov 5, 2012

Cjwinnit said:
Try this one then: Every single country that has brought in SSM has had a drop in the marriage rate.

So? Marriage rates have dropped in countries that haven't brought in same-sex marriage. Correlation is not causation.

EDIT: Oh, look. 10 seconds on Google and the first result disproves the claim that SSM has any effect on the marriage rate in America. I hope you're not pretending that the US is not a country.

Gadarene · Nov 5, 2012

Cjwinnit said:
Not many in comparison to cohabitation. On starting a cohabiting relationship, within 5 years 40% will have married, 50% will have split up and only 10% will still be unmarried cohabitees. Given that the majority of marriages last for the rest of the couple's lives, I think marriage is still in great health when compared to the alternatives.

That's nice.

You're still not citing sources, and none of your claims have been justified.

I also found this:

Marriage rates in the UK | News | guardian.co.uk

Funny how the marriage rate was dropping long before SSM was introduced, hmm?

Those wacky time-travelling gheys! Confront the gay agenda ^_^

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Genersis said:
Most beliefs held on "God's Holy unerrant Word" when it comes to homosexuality isn't even remotely in the scriptures.

Really? Maybe you should read Romans Ch 1 v. 18 to the end of the Ch.

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Bungle_Bear said:
Not true. It matters not if I think the bible is outdated if it has something to offer in support of your arguments. However, there is no point debating if you have nothing to support your argument.

So, if you can find something in the bible which shows how same sex marriage will lead to any of the various claimed breakdowns in the fabric of society then bring it on.

Maybe you should read Romans Ch 1 v. 18 to the end of the Ch.

Genersis · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
Really? Maybe you should read Romans Ch 1 v. 18 to the end of the Ch.

So he punished people with homosexuality for idol worship. Like I mentioned.
What's your point?

savedbygrace05 · Nov 5, 2012

Genersis said:
So he punished people with homosexuality for idol worship. Like I mentioned.
What's your point?

God's Word is for all of humanity past, present and future. Same God, same word which is the only measure that will be used on Judgement Day!!

Bungle_Bear · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
Maybe you should read Romans Ch 1 v. 18 to the end of the Ch.

Perhaps I have a different translation to you but mine says nothing about:

same sex marriage
redefining marriage for heterosexuals
effects on children
polygamy/polyandry

Genersis · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
God's Word is for all of humanity past, present and future. Same God, same word which is the only measure that will be used on Judgement Day!!

What?
How is that relevant to what I said?

Cromulent · Nov 5, 2012

savedbygrace05 said:
God's Word is for all of humanity past, present and future. Same God, same word which is the only measure that will be used on Judgement Day!!

Well I'm sure you and God will be very happy after judgement day. Remind us all why that gives you and that bigot O'Brien any right to force your religious morals on gays who just want to marry the person they love?

savedbygrace05 · Nov 6, 2012

Genersis said:
So he punished people with homosexuality for idol worship. Like I mentioned.
What's your point?

His word still applies today!!

savedbygrace05 · Nov 6, 2012

Bungle_Bear said:
Perhaps I have a different translation to you but mine says nothing about:

same sex marriage

redefining marriage for heterosexuals

effects on children

polygamy/polyandry

The whole counsel of God (Genesis thru to Revelation) has clearly given the Creator's instructions for those He has created in His image.

savedbygrace05 · Nov 6, 2012

Cromulent said:
Well I'm sure you and God will be very happy after judgement day. Remind us all why that gives you and that bigot O'Brien any right to force your religious morals on gays who just want to marry the person they love?

The only right that I have as God's servant is to explain His truth to others, what they do with that truth is up to them!

Skavau · Nov 6, 2012

Do you understand the idea of common ground, savedbygrace?

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