I haven't "chosen to believe he is not Muslim." He has actually given people no real reason to believe it, beyond a hyperactive reason to justify over the top hatred of him. A ruberic that must be clung to that if he's really a secret muslim, he's unfit for the office.
As said elsewhere, everytime people try to claim the president is a Muslim and not a Christian, they simply reveal an ignorance of what both camps are about.
People choose to go with the videos saying on YouTube "Obama's a Muslim!!!!" which are incomplete texts from the whole of the man's speeches. Here's one in example:
I've often noted where I don't support the President on many things and will not vote for him because of it. I don't like many of the policies of the President when it comes to the Middle East since they often seem to be imperialist in nature/focused on intervening where the U.S should not (more shared
here,
here,
here,
here and
here )..and I do feel that many of his policies have done more many times to further destablize relations between groups such as Muslims/Christians than to help them when opening the door for radical/Fundamentalist Islamic groups to take over whenever the U.S leaves..causing harm to Muslims and CHristians and people of all kinds in very difficult situations, whether it was intended or not.
However, one thing I don't like to do even with people I dislike is misrepresent facts on who they are. The claims of Obama somehow being a "Muslim" (or wanting fundamentalist/Radical Islamic organizations to take over the U.S in regards to the claims of his supporting the Muslim Brotherhood) being one of them.
As often as this video amongst others was played, I wish that the video actually kept the entirety of his speeches rather than edit out many parts, especially like it was at the beginning when it kept having him say "The Holy Qu'ran says...". On the full video that the previous one sampled from:
It can be said that one can say as President Obama and not be a Muslim just as many others have said, including Christians/Messianics, when it comes to ministry amongst those in Islamic cultures. The same thing goes for the many times he gave credence to Islamic cultures and the achievements done by those from that perspective...as realizing where others from a certain culture have contributed doesn't make one a follower of that religion. What Obama noted with the scientific developments from Islam was something that even atheists/agnostics have acknowledged alongside others-----and its not really any different than noting how the Scientic Revolution was something that occurred mainly to beliefs within Christianity...or that fireworks/GREAT Innovative developments came from the Asian cultures, regardless of their culture or religious views. Not everything within Islam has to be villified or feared---and much of it needs to be appraised. Of course, I may be alone in that stance here...as
I've discussed elsewhere when it comes to those who are Messianic Muslims... and
Muslim outreach. People often seem to have very little understanding of what it means to come from one background/express appreciation for it and yet be in another faith and advocate for that one. There was an excellent book I was going through that has been excellent on the issue, entitled "
The Crescent Through the Eyes of the Cross" ( ),
which has been really helpful whenever it comes to working with Muslims and seeing the extensive ways outreach is done amongst them and how they often interact with others. (more
here ,
here,
here,
here and h
ere/h
ere).
It is fairly well -known that Obama attends a "Christian" church and is within that camp, even if the church views he supports are more liberal than most--and for more, one can go
here, and here at
Obama Is Not a Muslim | Christianity Today | A Magazine of .
Obama claims to believe in CHristianity and has recieved encouragement/council from other Christians (i.e. Rick Warren, T.D Jakes, Jim Wallis, Joshua DuBois, Joel Hunter, etc) that he looks to as mentors for many of the things he does...
them being apart of his spiritual advisory council.
T.D. Jakes and President Obama
Not surprising that Obama has worked with Jakes Not so long ago, he led an early morning prayer service for President Barack Obama at St. Johns Church in Washington, D.C. not a new role for him as he has advised other presidents as well. In his book Decision Points, George W. Bush described Jakes as a kind of man who puts faith into action. With Obama, He has claimed Christ--yet in many ways, what he does is not consistent with Christ....
President Obama has shared multiple times where he claims to be a Christian rather than for other religions (even though he also made known where he respects other religions/appreciates them in their contributions.....his views being more so an Inclusivist viewpoint that acknowledges common grace in other camps). People have often tried the claim "He's Muslim!!!" due to his father's background and his comments on honoring Muslims, depsite the fact that believers in the OT did the same thing when it other cultures and he has made clear that finding things within other religions that are respectable doesn't mean he thinks it's greater than Christ---and doing no different than others did in the scriptures(
Genesis 18:1-3, Genesis 23:6-13 Genesis 33:2-4 Genesis 48:11-13 , Exodus 18:6-8 , etc). And as even even seen recently at the National Prayer Breakfast (seen
here,
here,
here ,
here ,
here and
here /
here) where he continually pointed to Christ as being Lord/Savior of all and the one to look to, I was reminded of the folllowing:
I Corinthians 12:2
I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, Jesus be cursed, and no one can say, Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit
Obvious is the fact that people with the spirit of God don't always make the best choices and anyone reading through the books of I-II Kings (i.e. King Asa, King Uzziah, Solomon, etc) and other texts of scripture sees the same principle in action....but declaring Christ as Lord is plainly something one says by the inspiration of the Spirit. The same is possible, IMHO, with President Obama. Multiple times he has surrounded himself as Christians as the people he seeks council from
and has noted his development of faith in Christ long before he was president. Obama's
Call to Renewal speech on faith and politics from 2006 (which made others on the Left feel their feathers ruffle ) is something that caught the attention of many way before the 2008 election...with it being pointed out often by
Joshua Debois, who is head of White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships including economic recovery and poverty reduction, abortion reduction, responsible fatherhood, and global interfaith dialogue.
For others, it seems to be the case that man is a highly decieved/
apostate Christian worthy of the treatment in
Jude 1:23 which gives caution for how to help certain people decieved (and I support that one for the most part)--whereas others believe he's a Christian who is still maturing since he didn't have a lot of knowledge before hand (as
noted by Christianity Today here), with a tendency to often make very BAD alliances while also doing a lot of righteous things (similar to the many kings in II Chronicles with Judah who often were noting for loving the Lord at many points except in certain areas-----King Jehoshaphat being a great example when seeing his life in action, the ways he sought to bring reform and yet was known for often joining up with the wrong leaders in Israel- II Chronicles 17-20 ). Others say that he's one who believes himself to be a "Christian" when not really understanding what it means to be one...........
Regardless of the differing stances others have on him, what is clear is that Muslims do not see the President as a Muslim.
If other Muslims consider Obama to not be "Muslim", its interesting when others say that he is...
...The president is a HUMAN BEING--and others need to treat him as such rather than saying he's not Christian due to not being flawless at all points or having areas where he hasn't lined up 100% with the Lord's requirements/desires......as if anyone on this forum or the world does.The big block of registered voters who don't say Obama is a Christian are not saying for sure what his faith is. They're saying they "don't know." Nearly a third say that they don't know, now, a number went as high was 41 percent in 2010. From the looks of the numbers, about 10 percent of voters have, over the course of Obama's first term, gone from thinking he's a Christian to not knowing if he's a Christian to thinking he's a Christian again -- all without ever saying he's Muslim.
