Gov Huckabee: Votes will be recorded in eternity

WarriorAngel said:

I dont know how to explain this to you - - but this isnt JUST about birth control or abortion - thats just the tip of the iceberg... this is about ignoring the crack in the dam.

You successfully manage to take away a portion of religious freedom - the rest follows - hence why he said 'we are all part of the Catholic church...'

He knows - as does anyone who knows history and the Constitution...that it only takes something as big as a speck to grow like one cancer cell - it multiplies.

You might not care if you will be allowed to believe as you like - but the rest of us who can see the problem for what it is - get the serious nature of this.

I really am sorry - you just dont.
Party affiliation is not our savior - Jesus is.
The Church is Christ Himself.

This among other things - shows us the spirit of Obama - and he is just another anti-christ doing the devil's work.

Back him up - you spit on God Who is your Savior.

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Very well said WA. Kind of like letting the head of the camel in the tent. There are those that just do not get it, they don't want to get it or better yet, think it is silly, old fashion, who knows. I would have to wonder why 100% of the bishops in our country are against Obamacare. Why there are so many lawsuits and I would have to ask myself what about this election has priests speaking out like never before? This is serious.

Jeffwhosoever said:

Wrong. I live in a very red state. I go to a mostly white church (we do have other races, which I like by the way). I'd say at least 70% are Republicans. We prayed for President Obama this past Sunday.

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What's that got to do with my point ?

Except maybe to certify it for me.

Republithugs, Dems. Independents

Don't care:

The fact is churches are now openly advocating political candidates and policies from the pulpit.

The have that right, which for many years the never used, but if they're going to get involved in the political process they need to be supporting the society they are advocating in.

The need to start paying taxes like every other politically active organization.

WarriorAngel said:

Yah CC because taxing the most charitable contributors will really work out great.

Take that away - tax them - and then watch everything fall apart.

Hey - i know tax the homeless for using the bridges and streets they didnt build.

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WA:

You want to get involved in the conversion about who should be running this country ?

You want to openly support one candidate over another from the pulpit ?

No problem, you have the right to do that.

But the price of participation is actually having skin in the game:

pay your taxes like everyone else.

Cosmic Charlie said:

What's that got to do with my point ?

Except maybe to certify it for me.

Republithugs, Dems. Independents

Don't care:

The fact is churches are now openly advocating political candidates and policies from the pulpit.

The have that right, which for many years the never used, but if they're going to get involved in the political process they need to be supporting the society they are advocating in.

The need to start paying taxes like every other politically active organization.

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There is such a thing as freedom of speech...to be enjoyed by all.
Altho liberals would love to bend the whole church and state thing - its not about shutting up pastors - they are not out being political except for Jesse Jackson - but he is democrat so thats ok.

A Church is allowed - yes entitled to state why 'so and so' would not fit in the daily living of their flock.
Yes, that is part of freedom of speech - the very thing liberals hate most - freedom.

The real issue behind separation of church and state was to protect churches not politicians. To protect believers so they wouldnt be tied down to a state Church - think Church of England.

And believe it or not - politics affects the way the churches and the flock live. So it behooves them to give their opinion. Which again is freedom of speech. And that freedom is not only for liberals - its for everyone.

And i find it an impossible idea that anyone suggests their Church be made to suffer taxes when:
A- They help not only the poor in this country but world wide. Taking extra funds from them only affects the poor the most - the so called ones liberals pretend to care about.
B- The Church literally speak for Christ Himself.
'Saul Saul, why do you persecute Me?'
C- It is their duty to lead the flock...and if there is a brand of politics that will affect someone's eternal salvation - it is absolutely their duty to preach against it.

Fish and Bread said:

I don't take religious instruction from Baptist pastors turned Republican politicians.

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"Many issues are at stake, but some issues are not negotiable,” Huckabee says. “The right to life from conception to natural death. Marriage should be reinforced, not redefined. It is an egregious violation of our cherished principle of religious liberty for the government to force the church to buy the kind of insurance that leads to the taking of innocent human life.”

Sounds very much like the statements from the Catholic bishops. I had heard the Huckabee ads yesterday and thought, "That sounds very Christian and should be supported by all who profess to be Christian."

Kotton said:

"Many issues are at stake, but some issues are not negotiable,” Huckabee says. “The right to life from conception to natural death. Marriage should be reinforced, not redefined. It is an egregious violation of our cherished principle of religious liberty for the government to force the church to buy the kind of insurance that leads to the taking of innocent human life.”

Sounds very much like the statements from the Catholic bishops. I had heard the Huckabee ads yesterday and thought, "That sounds very Christian and should be supported by all who profess to be Christian."

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And, that, in a nutshell, is why you're seeing fewer and fewer people identify as Christian, and fewer people of the people who do identify as Christian attend Church regularly. The churches have been compromised by conservative politicians masquerading as men of the cloth. Republicanism and parochialism are their religions, not the resurrected Christ. And this isn't just something that happened- right-wing billionaires have been stealthily funding conservative takeovers of churches for decades now.

WarriorAngel said:

There is such a thing as freedom of speech...to be enjoyed by all.

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And with it comes the responsibility to pay your taxes.

Altho liberals would love to bend the whole church and state thing - its not about shutting up pastors - they are not out being political except for Jesse Jackson - but he is democrat so thats ok.

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WA, this thread was started with a quote from a conservative pastor threatening hell on people who didn't vote for Republicans.

Do you really think my memory isn't long enough to remember 20 posts ago ?

A Church is allowed - yes entitled to state why 'so and so' would not fit in the daily living of their flock.
Yes, that is part of freedom of speech - the very thing liberals hate most - freedom.

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I quit

this board has completely broken down and it participants have become etch a sketch artists.

Cosmic Charlie said:

And with it comes the responsibility to pay your taxes.

WA, this thread was started with a quote from a conservative pastor threatening hell on people who didn't vote for Republicans.

Do you really think my memory isn't long enough to remember 20 posts ago ?

I quit

this board has completely broken down and it participants have become etch a sketch artists.

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There's an etch a sketch function on these boards!?

Cosmic Charlie said:

WA, this thread was started with a quote from a conservative pastor threatening hell on people who didn't vote for Republicans.

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Threatening hell? You must read a lot between the lines that I can't see.

Do you really think my memory isn't long enough to remember 20 posts ago ?

I quit

this board has completely broken down and it participants have become etch a sketch artists.

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I find it quite interesting how some people take a position opposing the quote from Huckabee. It being very much in line with the Catholic teaching.

Kotton said:

It being very much in line with the Catholic teaching.

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Thanks for the ruling, your Holiness. How's work on your next encyclical going?

Could it be that people are having this discussion because not everyone thinks Catholic teaching is what you think it is?

Fish and Bread said:

And, that, in a nutshell, is why you're seeing fewer and fewer people identify as Christian, and fewer people of the people who do identify as Christian attend Church regularly. The churches have been compromised by conservative politicians masquerading as men of the cloth. Republicanism and parochialism are their religions, not the resurrected Christ. And this isn't just something that happened- right-wing billionaires have been stealthily funding conservative takeovers of churches for decades now.

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It sounds as if your nutshell is quite speculative on your part. Conservative politicians masquerading as men of the cloth and Republicanism and parochialism are their religions, my that's very imaginative of you. Since the OP of this thread was showing a statement that very closely says the same thing that the Catholic Church professes, does this mean your speculation applies to Catholics?

Kotton said:

It sounds as if your nutshell is quite speculative on your part. Conservative politicians masquerading as men of the cloth and Republicanism and parochialism are their religions, my that's very imaginative of you. Since the OP of this thread was showing a statement that very closely says the same thing that the Catholic Church professes, does this mean your speculation applies to Catholics?

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Not Catholics in general, some clergypeople in particular. And before you tell me that's an anti-Catholic thing to say, remember that no less a man than St. Augustine, himself a bishop, said that the road to hell was lined with the skulls of bishops. Bishops are the heirs to the Apostles in many respects, but they are not infallible (Except for the Pope under limited circumstances) and certainly many have acted poorly through the years. We don't have to look back very far- the child sex abuse scandal was one such situation. But it goes back to the Apostles Judas, who betrayed Jesus directly. The episcopacy (being a bishop) is a holy office, but not every bishop is a holy man.

Fish and Bread said:

Not Catholics in general, some clergypeople in particular.

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Well this seems to be the first post of yours that I agree with in full. Keep up and we may get somewherre.

Fish and Bread said:

Thanks for the ruling, your Holiness. How's work on your next encyclical going?

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Just fine.

Could it be that people are having this discussion because not everyone thinks Catholic teaching is what you think it is?

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Of course, there are a number that are very ignorant, some are arrogant, others take a secular view, and a few may be outright liars.